please note i am in no way advocating or callinhg for the overthrow of any government body worldwide i am simply asking a phisoshical hypothetical question if it was possible to just walk away from the government, render it obsolete shut it down entirely without blood without violence without threats and then rebuild a better government or try to live happily without one (not the purpose of the question to figure out what to do after the government falls but your free to discuss ideas) if we could scrap our (not restricted to any 1 country the question goes out to all) current form of government and start over fresh..should we? or just wait for it to all fall apart on its own
Yes, but its like, totally impossible. I know you know that. Just saying, none of us could agree on anything. Everyones perception of freedom, or a good government is different and not everyone would be happy with what happened. and you know the no violence thing is pretty impossible to, as far as overthrowing the government goes. Cuz they wouldn't give up their positions. But hell yea, if it was possible i think it would be a good thing. As long as we had very knowledgeable people doing it.
NOTHING is TOTALLY impossible. just somethings sufficiently improbable to not be worth getting yourself in trouble and beating your head against them, but i sure ain't about to stand in the way of anyone who wants to. unless their intention was to replace it with something worse. i don't beleive, when today's america falls, it will be the end of the world. might even be the salvation of all humanity. but if it don't fall, as doesn't seem too likely, any time soon, well that PROBABLY won't be the end of the world either. but universal comodification IS universal murder and universal murder IS universal suicide. =^^= .../\...
inevitably it will come crashing down. seems to me it works on the premise that all the 'peasants' are totally oblivious to what is actually going on. but more and more people are seein through the bullshit and are really pissed about the whole thing. i donno man, true freedom's biggest enemy is complacence.
we all know the goverments crashing. everyone except the people running it who are to ignorent to notice. we need to remember what the past has done. in every civilazation of every era, there has been a "golden age". their was no war, famine, crime, everyone lived and cared for each other with smiles upon their faces. we need to find a way to bring the world into such a state. starting with the goverments change, if it doesent make changes for the better, it will crumble, throwing everything into chaos.
ahh all excelent responces exactly the kind of dialoug i was hoping for what i find so funny (if you could call it funny) is how many of the people so quick to complain about the government dont have the ability to imagine a world without the government
I'm looking for that said "Golden Age" but as long as we have people like Bush in office and getting away with it their won't be one. I'd like to come together, it would be great being able to talk with the neighbor and not be afraid they might snap and bring out a gun. I think we need a modern Robin Hood to lead the campaign of freedom. Anyone seen him lately? I wouldn't mind talking to him!
Plato stated when discussing classic political theory in the republic that a society that is ruled by oligarchs, or corrupt aristocrats, who only pursue money at the expense of the masses ultimately enrage the masses so much that they seek leadership inside of the disenfranchises group. Eventually, instigators in the new revolutionary movement realize that if they can manipulate the masses and those currently in power they can seize power when the current constitution collapses. These people, or drones are Plato called them tell the rulers the poor will revolt, while at the same time tell the masses the upper crust is going to impose on them a total restriction of liberties, because of fear created by the drones, those in power do exactly what the drones suggested, limit power. Now, the already enraged masses turn to the deceptive drone leader for advice. The drones stir up passions and cause a revolution. When the masses destroy the oligarchy the masses reconstruct the government and make public office open to everyone (democracy) while rewarding the instigators of the revolt, and rewarding them with positions of power. Plato goes on to say that once an oligarchy reaches democracy the democratic nation will constantly swing from democracy to dictatorship in an eternal loop. History supports this. All of the dictators of the 20th century rose out of a democracy, think of Mussolini, Saddam, or the like. So in conclusion if we overthrew the government of our democracy our nation would slip into a dictatorship. Historically dictators fates are sealed when they reach power because they need to kill their enemies and instill fear, this causes Resistance and eventually the dictator will be killed by enemies abroad or within their own cabinet (think of Saddam again, or the assassination attempts on Hitler) Once dead the land will eventually return to democracy and the loop continues... like Iraq.
How does one exactly bring down a government peacefully? Even if there was a way, you KNOW it would get out of hand and there would be dicks who try to go about it violently but under the same cause. You know how there's always that one person who is violent at a peace rally? It's kind of like that. And, knowing how much a police state this country is (united States), our pacifist ways would not stand a chance. I have no problem criticizing the government and wishing it would change, but trying to initiate a revolution that would only lead to several or more years of violence and civil war and essentially the slaughtering of all liberals as we know it doesn't sound worth it. We should focus on trying to improve it, not turn everyone against each other in a revolution.
its great if we could do it peacefully, but is it really possible? how is overthrowing something or someone "peaceful"?
What ever it takes to restore it, it has been gradually taken down to the point that it would be very difficult to restore peacefully. The government is more intent than ever to increase dependency and eliminate the means by which more can become self sufficient leading to what has become a democratic form of socialism primarily during Roosevelt, but even more increasingly under Emanuel/Soros/Obama etal.
if you can take it apart peacefully, sure, it might be interesting, go for it, but don't make people suffer for it. if its fall apart anyway, oh well, not much you can do about it then.