Overgrow BUSTED!

KingFoN · Feb 4, 2006

I am VERY sad to inform folks here that one of my favorite hang outs online is DONE! Probably forever! I will miss Cannabis World, CBAY and Overgrow so much. Such a valued cache of excellent information. Some of the most experieced growers of the sacrament in the world sharing their knowledge. I have tears in my eyes as I write this! I hope this large family can land on our feet someplace else.

One Love and Solidarity to my CW freinds!

Overgrow THE MAN!

Here is the Proof...
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=20498&page=1&pp=15

passittotheleft · Feb 4, 2006

That sucks ass man.

KingFoN · Feb 4, 2006

Your GD right it sucks!

I can't even PUFF right now due to fact I am going to start looking for two new jobs (One Full and one Part time) in a couple weeks.

I'm gonna get hella drunk on Caucasians, Sniff the wonderful aromas from my Mason Jars and watch "The Big Lebowski."

KingFoN · Feb 4, 2006

A bit more information...

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4638.html

DXMsucks · Feb 5, 2006

I'm not mad because it got busted, but the most valuable information on growing was there. I really hope some people saved some of it on their computers.

Tainted · Feb 8, 2006

There has been NO confirmation that RC has been arrested or that Overgrow has been shut down. One of those articles on ICMag say that Richard Baucher or something to that effect has been arrested and as in fact RC. He is not. I've been following this closely in a different web community (a something awful.com subforum.) An arrest like this VERY likely would have made a legitimate news source. There hasn't even been any obscure references to it in any news source. There's a VERY good chance that these places are feeding the news out to try and get a cut of overgrow's seedbank business...

Don't get me wrong, he may have been arrested, but as of yet there isn't any real reason to believe that. There is a number of explanations for his dissappearance. My fingers are still crossed that it'll come back!

mrfarmer · Feb 11, 2006

Let's hope you'r right.

Keep growing

Beckner420 · Feb 11, 2006

That site was the bible of marijuana cultivation. That site kept my plants alive.

Tainted · Feb 13, 2006

Possible update... I don't know if this story has been confirmed or if theres any truth to it, but if it is true well :-( it is a sad day.

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=51975

About 48 hours ago I broke my 26 month long self-imposed exile from the internet to post the results of my converstations with RC. Nobody else seemed to the the will or ability to track down and talk to him, and my concerns for the industry and the people I love who participate in it out weighed the enjoyment of my recent relative obscurity. I was sure any calls were going to be monitored, but hey - it's not like my name has never been associated with cannabis seeds, eh. So I called RC. Twice.

The first call was to get his story of what happened to him, and the servers for Overgrow and Cannabis World, and to offer support, financial and otherwise. I had been in contact with a few friends and business acquaintances, and had passed the virtual hat around - to the tune of well over US$50,000 pledged to assist RC, with no strings attached. RC said he would have to talk to his lawyers first for instructions on handling such a large donation. OK, fine. RC has all my contact numbers (always had, btw) and I expected a call the next day with instructions from his lawyers.

After my first call to him, I noted that Marc Emery from Cannabis Culture had a front page story saying RC had split the country, etcetera. Fuck. So, after some introspection, I decided to take the plunge - I was returning to my long lost home, the internet. RC had told me he would be releasing a statement, drawn up with the assistance of his lawyers, within 24 hours. Now, I had taken RC at his word as to what had happened, and I thought his clients, suppliers and members of his sites should have at least an idea of what happened, so I called him back, and said so. He agreed I could post what I put in my first post on the internet in 26 months.

Some things RC said to me didn't sit well with me. I did wake the guy up, but still... my instincts were making my hackles rise. As time passed, I kept thinking - who the fuck doesn't leap on a US$50,000 gift? My instincts said I wouldn't hear from his lawyers about it. I was correct.

Now, I have known RC's real name - and much more information about him, from back in the day when I made a deal with ~Shabang~ to buy out his 1/2 of Overgrow. I started doing the phone call thing to newspapers, the Quebec Provincial Police, RCMP public affairs office, blah, blah, blah. No record of an arrest. No record of bail or release. No records for RC, period. I had a couple of phone calls with ~Shabang~ as well, as he is one of the few people in the world I felt comfortable brain-storming with some of the information I was working with. I trust ~S with my life.

I called everyone I knew - and I know a fuckload of folks - to try and pry out some facts. I got a ton of calls, PM's and emails, and the picture they were painting wasn't jiving with some 'facts' that RC gave me. In fact, the fucker lied to me - to you - to the industry.

Just after midnight last night, I got a call from Marc Emery. Some of you may have heard of him. If you want to Marc bash, stay the fuck outta this thread. I've been in this industry for quite some time, and I don't believe in tearing down anyone who has the guts and determination for a cause that he does. If you don't like doing business with him, then don't. I have managed to negotiate this industry for years without hurting and name calling of people who are, in my eyes, on the same side. (Just ask Dr. Chronic - shortly after his site launched on OG - and when Gypsy was, as usual acting like an asshole and treating the Doc like shit on the boards, his site went down - hardware failure. That day was the first time I talked to the Doc - I called him and offered to host his site until his hardware was repaired. He declined, but that was the basis of a solid business relationship with him, one of my competitors. I have since met the Doc, and he is one of those truly rare finds - an honest to goodness decent and nice man. I would like to think I can call Dr. Chronic my friend, and I won't put up with any Doc bashing here either End of rant)

Emery and I chatted for over 1/2 an hour. At the outset, I was clear that I couldn't give him any information, but we could discuss what we both had knowledge of. I can tell you now that Emery had RC's real name for quite some time, and had been checking high and low, much like I had been, and had found no trace. Emery gave me a who's who list of people who know RC - in some cases for decades - and who RC had shunned any form of contact with since this all started. He quite graciously offered me all they had found out, and didn't pressure me for information in return. His concern for anyone affected by the fallout from this is genuine. The industry is in an uproar, and I hadn't seen anyone else with people working the phones trying to unearth the truth. By approximately 12:53 AM (GMT) Mr. Marc Scott Emery had earned my respect. We ended our chat, but now I still had more questions.

Rumours, speculation and innuendo filled the forums everywhere, and my instincts were screaming by now. Several details RC had given me were blatantly false, but not a smoking gun. Not yet.

And then, this morning at 10:30 AM (GMT) my phone rang. It was an old acquaintance of mine - and he had brought me a smoking gun. He had done business with RC, and RC paid him by check. The check was made out to a business that has nothing to do with cannabis or cannabis seeds. It was the only time that business had ever negotiated a payment from anyone in the industry. And he had just been raided, with the warrant looking for cannabis, cannabis seeds, and financial records. Fortunately, the raid was, well - a bust. Nothing was found, cops were red-faced, and my friend was fine. And pissed off. There is only one person who could have pointed the police to his business. Mr. Richard Baghdadlian, known to you as RC.

I don't doubt that RC was raided, and I don't doubt that his home and business were searched. In fact, I have confirmation they were. He was not arrested. He was at home when I called him, and has since shut off all contact with anyone. I called his lawyers (that little deal a few years ago with ~S, me, RC and OG had left me with all kinda interesting contacts) and they informed me they were not able to contact RC.

So, I'm gonna say it - and lemme tell you, this ain't easy, but now it's time to face some hard facts.

Richard Baghdadlian is co-operating with the authorities to save his own ass, at the expense of breeders, clients, and tens of thousands of members on his sites.

Anyone who had any financial transactions with RC in any way is at risk.

Anyone who posted on OG or CW is at risk. Those forums are gone, and will never be back - the security of every member has been comprimised.

I don't believe IP's were not logged on OG and CW. ~Shabang~ and I discussed this, and how ~S had originally set up the null logs, and db records. Since then, however, RC had instituted many 'anti-troll' features on the boards. Lemme 'splain...

Ask any troll here - if they posted from, say Proxy A one day, and then 3 days later from Proxy B, using the same handle, and admin got tired of them. So, they IP ban Proxy B, while the troll is still signed in. That's how RC would like you to believe it was done. However, if they then tried using a different handle, and Proxy A - well, damned if that one wasn't blocked as well. I can guarantee you that RC had gone back to some default settings to log IP's for everyone, all the time. There is no doubt.

RC is a rat.

OG and CW logged IP's.

The servers weren't seized - they didn't need to seize them - RC has given them complete access to the database records.

People are getting busted based on contact with RC.

I have given oldpink the heads-up a couple of hours ago that I was going to write this up and post it here. Kindly don't tear him up - he is working hard with little information, and is doing the best he can.

As many OG and CW refugees are also hanging at www.hg420.com, I've just got off the phone with Doc Chronic as well, so word of this will get out. (That's important, as that snivelling ****-rag Gypsy likes to delete any quotes from me over at ICMag. Fuck off Gypsy, and stay outta my thread.)

If I have more information to offer later, I'll post it up in this thread.

If you have some information to give me, email is plural_of_encrypted@hushmail.com, or give me a call - from a safe phone, of course, at 07766 871 905 in the UK, 0044 7766 871 905 in Europe, and from N. America use 01144 7766 871 905.

Take care everyone, I hope you're all safe.

Love,

Plural of Mongoose

PS - if yer gonna quote this post over at other sites, kindly quote the entire post, thank you very much. Mongoose

PPS - Fuck you Richard Baghdadlian - FUCK YOU... Fuck you... fuck you...
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KingFoN · Feb 17, 2006

IMHO Tainted...

ANYBODY! Who gives lipservice, mad props and shoutout's to Mark (The Dirty Lying, Thief who beat me outta approx $500.00 years ago cause I didn't know any better and also what a POS NARK COP he was) Emery. Is in my book 100% suspect and a LYAR just like their Prince is.

This is Gypsie's rebuttle...

....Yeah....ain't it funny how POM raises his head at this time after 2 years to jump into this scenario?.....smells like he might have even created it to me?

..as for POM....I have hired and fired this undermining, backstabbing , thieving ass-hat......and I would not have put it beyond him to have been instrumental in this situation......and now to be creating some sensationalist situation out of it.....and at the same time trying to promote who his is now associated with by saying that I have some beef with the guy.....how trite.

....I would warn all to be aware of thier security.....and to be aware that this POM is a negative entity that entered my world some time back and has been an Agent Provocateur ever since...

...R.C. mentioned to me that he had gotten a call prior to mine from POM and was a bit taken aback by it.....since he never trusted him, and wondered why he was suddenly calling him up out of the blue.......looks to me like POM is just after some political clout out of this.......

....any-one out there that feels like their security could have been compromised should have taken care of the situation by now....

Warning......Warning........

gaum · Feb 18, 2006

so can anyone like tell me what the fuck is going on?
or translate it or something. make it so I can undersatnd it

Tainted · Feb 18, 2006

gaum said:

so can anyone like tell me what the fuck is going on?
or translate it or something. make it so I can undersatnd it
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Nobody is really sure what the fuck is going on with overgrow to be honest... Overgrow is gone, that we know. There was speculation as to whether or not RC (Overgrow and several other seedbank sites owner) was arrested. It's beginning to look like RC was definately arrested and his servers seized, but there hasn't been any true confirmation yet.
Plural of Mongoose, I don't know who the hell that is, came out to say that RC is cooperating with authorities. Also, he is saying that RC turned on IP logging on the forums, which can be used to incriminate growers/posters on the boards. (Only large growers really have to worry, I doubt they'd go after somebody with a few plants or a regular poster)

Kingfon posted a rebuttle from I guess gypsy? who is I guess saying that POM (Plural of Mongoose) is full of shit and is just trying to boost his own reputation and whatnot.

Tainted · Feb 28, 2006

BIG UPDATE. It's been finally confirmed that RC has been arrested.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/February2006/28/c2334.html

news said:

MONTREAL, Feb. 28 /CNW Telbec/ - The members of the Marihuana Grow
Operations Enforcement Team of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police concluded
their first major operation when they uncovered a Montreal based criminal
organization involved in the trafficking, importation and exportation of
cannabis seeds, as well as in conspiring for the purpose of cannabis
cultivation via the Internet. This operation was launched in November 2004
under the name "Courriel" and culminated with the seizure of 200,000 cannabis
seeds and the arrest of seven persons.

Project "Courriel" revealed that Richard Hratch BAGHDADLIAN, 38, from
Marsan Street in Montreal, and six other persons operated the Heaven's
Stairway company. This company was on the web claiming to be the North
American supplier for indoor and outdoor cannabis production.
The cybercompany Heaven's Stairway used the Internet sites hempqc.com,
cannabisworld.com, overgrow.com, eurohemp.com, cannabisseeds.com, and
cannabisbay.com. These sites were used to order cannabis seeds online and
obtain information on cannabis cultivation. These Internet sites also
suggested ways to outsmart the police.

Richard Hratch BAGHDADLIAN was the instigator, head and main beneficiary
of the illicit company Heaven's Straiway. The other six accused acted as
couriers and performed other duties for the company. They are Geoffrey CHAN,
33, Maria Cristina CIVITILLO, 32, Natalie BAGHDADLIAN, 40, Manuel Bento
FERNANDES, 45, Christopher ALMOND, 38, and Teresa RODRIGUES, 39. They all live
in Montreal except Christopher ALMOND who lives in Ville Saint-Laurent.

The organization processed approximately 30 orders of cannabis seeds a
day averaging $100 each. The seeds were sent to clients by regular mail.

The seven people are facing 49 charges under the Controlled Drugs and
Substances Act and the Criminal Code of Canada. The offences were committed in
Quebec, Canada, North America, the United Kingdom and elsewhere in the world
between March 12, 1998 and January 31, 2006.

Nine searches were carried out during the week of January 30, 2006 in
order to gather evidence that criminal activities had been committed. The
searches were conducted in Montreal and Laval, as well as in the residences of
three of the accused, a business, three post office boxes, a vehicle and a
safe-deposit box.

These searches led to the seizure of 200,000 cannabis seeds, more than
$183,362 in US currencies and $14,000 in Canadian currencies, both in cash and
postal money orders, three one-kilogram gold bricks, a Harley-Davidson
motorcycle, a Mazda RX8 and many purchase orders. Since the searches were
conducted, 272 orders have been intercepted by the police.

The amount of seeds seized during the searches could have made it
possible to operate approximately 500 cannabis greenhouses of 400 plants each,
which represent 42 million joints sold on the street.

The seven accused are liable to 10 years' imprisonment. Since the
possession of cannabis seeds is illegal under Schedule II of the Controlled
Drugs and Substances Act, clients of the network could also receive a visit
from the police.

It should be noted that Project "Courriel", a first in Canada, is the
fruit of the work of the new Marihuana Grow Operations Enforcement Team. This
new drug enforcement team is one of the seven teams established by the Royal
Canadian Mounted Police across Canada in 2004 to combat the scourge of
marihuana. The main objectives of these teams are to interdict drugs before
they arrive in our communities and to target and destroy the infrastructure
and the networks used by criminal organizations involved in marihuana
production. These organizations constitute a threat to public safety and well-
being.
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gaum · Feb 28, 2006

how do they know thats rc?

Tainted · Feb 28, 2006

gaum said:

how do they know thats rc?
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That's an official news source. RC owned overgrow, the owner of overgrow was arrested, henceforth richard benglawhatever is RC

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