Oprah for President

Discussion in 'Politics' started by 6-eyed shaman, Jan 9, 2018.

  1. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    LOL you think ‘rational’ people say the definition of feminist is - a very mean, spiteful, vindictive, misleading, and misandrist person?

    To me a rational person is someone that can defend their ideas from criticism something so far you seem unable to do.
     
  2. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    A curious statement anyway because if anyone on this site (esp with political and social topics) is notorious for repeatedly basing their arguments on provable misleading sources and biased alt right 'news' sites it is you.
     
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  3. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Don’t wanna talk about Italy? That’s fine, I know what it’s like to come home more stressed from a bad vacation.



    No I think the rational person’s definition of a feminist is as follows:

    Feminist (n):

    1. A person who believes women are so weak, stupid, incompetent & helpless that society must alter its standards & practices to cater to their fragility & provide them an external sense of self worth

    2. A man trying too hard to get laid via white knighting

    3. A woman with penis envy



    Are you a feminist or egalitarian?


    Just because you never like what I have to say, doesn’t mean I’m not defending myself from your fallable criticisms.
     
  4. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    As the old saying goes "facts have a liberal biases".

    The Republican party would embarrass Regan now. 30 years ago red or blue reality was discussed. Not the case now.
     
  5. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Tweeted by another far right troll who actually calls himself ‘Dangerous Troll’ whose page is ‘Feminism is Cancer’ alongside the picture is of a (dyed) blond guy holding a gun (it might be that well know alt-righter Milo Yiannopoulos who has also given talks called ‘‘Feminism is Cancer’).

    Really way to go in trying to convince people you are not of the alt-right

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    I mean come on man – this is a piece of crap thought up by someone who clearly has ‘women’ issues maybe he didn’t get on with his mum or something…anyway

    People that suffer discrimination are not individually weak, stupid, incompetent or helpless, but that doesn’t mean discrimination doesn’t exist and it doesn’t rule out the need for regulation and laws to combat discrimination.

    As to ‘white knighting’ that's a well-known anti-feminist ploy (yet another con game) it’s a divisive trick to try and make men uneasy about helping to defend feminism.

    It’s a stupid argument I’ve supported many people’s views here that doesn’t mean I want to sleep with them or think them too weak to defend themselves honestly do you think everyone that gives you a ‘like’ thereby giving you support wants to have sex with you or thinks you are weak, stupid, incompetent or helpless?

    ‘Accusations of being a white knight are very Godwin's Law-esque; if any guy speaks out against sexism directed towards women on the internet, it is inevitable that somebody will accuse him of being one.’

    As to ‘penis envy’ yeah well I guess you always wanted to have sex with your mother and have a fear of being castrated– have you read any Freud?

    And yet another example of your either/or mentality you really have to start thinking in a rational way that accepts that not everything is simplistically black and white

    So why do you run away so often?

    I and many other would love it if you actually addressed the many outstanding criticisms of your views, but all we ever seem to get is propaganda and brush offs.
     
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  6. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    That Dangerous Troll is a clever handle whoever he is. He's quite an agitator; I'm surprised you can follow him without having cardiac arrest.

    No I'm talking about the ones who literally believe that women cannot make it in the real world without affirmative-action driven diversity quotas.

    And by that I mean people like you who believe that women can't succeed without regulation and the government stepping in to lower the requirement for females to get ahead.

    Then an anti-egalitarian feminist you are :sunglasses:
    How does it feel to be a 7%'er in your own country?

    You're the one who said "but that doesn’t mean discrimination doesn’t exist and it doesn’t rule out the need for regulation and laws to combat discrimination." Not me. I feel that women are just as smart as men, and perfectly capable of success without the nanny state. But you don't seem to think so.

    I find that male feminists (Soy Boys) are typically the ones who are misguided to believe that putting women on the pedestal, apologizing for their primal masculine urges, and being a complete beta male doormat will score them brownie points towards getting laid. They're wrong. Always. Girls prefer bad boys; nice guys finish last.


    The patriarchy runs the world... so check your white male privilege.....




    It's a false assumption that feminists hate men. I find that they actually idolize men with the way they try to emulate males from the bedroom to the boardroom. They grow their leg and and armpit hair out. Bitch about femininity being a societal construct. Demonizing the stay-at-home mother and housewife, and promoting the corporate career woman. So yeah, I think they do have a little bit of penis envy.



    In the Webster's dictionary, they both mean the same thing. But in reality, one treats men and full-time mothers like shit, and when challenged it shields itself with "oh, feminism is about equality." Gimme a break.

    The other is a lot less confrontational, and advocates the notion that men and women have the same rights.

    So please put the soymilk down.






    If you mean that one time you closed the thread before I could respond, just to lie and say that I ran away. Then that's just fighting dirty
     
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  7. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Oh 6 you are hilarious I had not heard of the term Soy Boys before so had I quick look and found this – it seems it’s very you and very far right.

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    Soy Boy : What is the new online insult used by the far right

    There’s nothing manlier than dairy, right? What could be a better display of masculinity than downing a pint of whole milk?

    This is the bizarre thinking behind the far right’s new favourite insult: "soy boy".

    It's becoming more widely used online and can be used as an adjective too, with people or actions being described as "very soy." The idea is that if you drink dairy-free milk alternatives, you are obviously weak and feminine (based on the thinking that soy products increase men’s oestrogen levels, even though this hasn’t been scientifically proven).

    And then there’s the fact that soy is often used as a meat alternative, and as we all know, real men eat meat. And women only ever eat sad plates of salad.

    According to Urban Dictionary, the term soy boy means: “Slang used to describe males who completely and utterly lack all necessary masculine qualities. This pathetic state is usually achieved by an over-indulgence of emasculating products and/or ideologies.

    This is the far right's new favourite insult

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    Are you having doubts about your masculinity, old chap, I mean come on, only someone that had some issues and worries about being a real man would throw out this as an ‘insult’ really that’s supposed to be an insult – sorry to me it’s extremely funny.
     
  8. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    So one thread amongst many got closed all the others seem live – which one is closed, if it is I don’t think I did it and I’m quite happy to find out if I can open it if you feel aggrieved.

    Anyway the last one you ran away from was here - Women's rights, or Islam?

    Question - so what form would your ‘government’ take you don’t seem to want democratic governments so what would you have?
     
  9. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Poll: Oprah Beats Trump 48-38 with Likely Voters in 2020 Election
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    On the heels of that presidential optimism, comes a Rasmussen poll which suggests that the president’s air of confidence might be misplaced
     
  10. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Oh you do seem to have a lot of anger here…do you have an issue with women…as pointed out above it comes across as if you feel threatened in some way.

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    Ok well your reply is, I’m afraid, the same old same old…bluster, vitriol, the either or mentality but not much thought or substance.

    Again I’d have to ask you if you have read any books on history or done any study of it?

    I mean I did ask you the same question about economics and you said you based your whole viewpoint of economics on the badly written sci-fi novel ‘Atlas Shrugged’ and some articles by the wealth sponsored lobbying groups like the Cato Institute.

    As I said at the time that’s not going to give you a good, balanced or even rational grounding and I suggested you do a bit more reading and study (by the way did you do that?)

    Now with this issue I wonder what you are basing your views on. Have you read any books on discrimination in societies and how it was fought against?

    From slavery, ethnic rights, workers’ rights, women’s rights, sexual rights, religious rights - you seem to have this view that there was no opposition to such things that there was no fight and so that there was no need for anti-discrimination laws or regulations – even the slightest study of the history of these movements would show you that that view just doesn’t stand up.

    I think your problem is a certain Social Darwinist viewpoint (you really should stop reading bad sci-fi and enter the real world) in that for you it is about ‘natural’ competition and that the ‘fittest’ will succeed ‘naturally’ without ‘government’ help.

    So in this case if the female humans are ‘worthy’ they will ‘succeed without regulation and the government stepping in to lower the requirement for females to get ahead’

    So if women get lower pay than a man for doing the same work that’s not due to discrimination it just means the man is better at the job, more fitted to it.

    That if a woman is sexually hassled by a man that is just a ‘real man’ acting ‘naturally’ and it’s up to the women to be ‘strong’ in reacting to it as an individual and if she isn’t well that her fault for being ‘weak’.

    So we get the ‘I think women are strong enough not to need help’ argument but that is just another way of saying ‘if they don’t get on then that is their own fault’

    So again what history on the subject of discrimination have you read, and if you haven’t what are you basing your viewpoint on and please don’t say the kind of far right websites where they think Soy Boy is a ‘cool’ insult LOL (sorry that does make me laugh)?
     
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  11. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    And you think this is rational?

    You define feminism with your own terms and then state that your definition is the rational one!
     
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    ~Zen~ Ancient Mariner Administrator

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    Brilliant reply!
     
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    Write a letter to Oprah and ask her for help seeking a job ..
    Write a letter to Trump and ask him for help seeking a job..

    See what one comes back first..
     
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  14. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    What The Independent got wrong with that article is that there ARE scientific studies show soy does lower testosterone levels. Soy contains isoflavone which are plant-based phytoestrogens, which mimic the female hormone, lowers testosterone and sperm count.

    Is Soy Feminizing the West?

    Several soy/testosterone studies in this article: https://www.anabolicmen.com/soy-and-testosterone/

    Men's testosterone levels declined in last 20 years



    Heightened estrogen levels in men also also causes gynocomastria. Better known by its slang word, man-boobs. Surgeons in recent years have seen a significant increase in male breast reduction Surgeons report surge in 'man boob' operations


    Soy therapy is used by post menopausal women to restore their estrogen levels Menopause and the Soy Question


    For the record, I'm not mocking vegetarians, and I'm well aware of the whole "real men eat meat" is just a marketing campaign. However, seeing how so many processed vegetarian foods contain copious amounts of soy, I do feel sorry for male vegetarians.


    All 4 of the Try Guys from Buzzfeed had their testosterone levels tested, and they all scored lower than the normal levels of 85-100 year old men. Buzzfeed is so left it makes MSNBC look like Breitbart.


    Imagine my shock.
    BuzzFeed Guys Test Their Testosterone Levels. The Results Are Exactly What You'd Expect.


    The most troubling thing is how soy is basically unavoidable if you eat any kind of processed food. It's like high-fructose corn syrup; its bad for you and it's everywhere.
     
  15. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    What makes you think I'm angry? I love women. I feel they are better listeners and empathize much better than men for the most part. That is, of course, because male and female brains are wired differently.


    I've taken a few courses on this college. Studying western civilization and how "the west was won." Can't recall the exact texts though TBH.

    First and second wave feminism was necessary in my opinion. After all, the sufferage movement was about deregulating big government policies that prohibited women from voting and running for public office.

    The wage gap is a myth. It doesn't take into account the career choices women make, or the fact that they take more time off than men. We've been over this before. It's a conspiracy theory.

    What the hell are you talking about? You think sexual assailants are "real men acting naturally?" I hope you weren't thinking clearly when you typed that in.

    When I said primal urges, I meant common male heterosexuality, and conveying manly traits that attract women. Like strength, courage, confidence, sticking up for women and being protective.

    I mean, if you actually feel that way, then maybe you are a man-hating feminist.

    Not really. But this sort of falls into the realm of the horrible lies and propaganda that feminism spreads about the patriarchy.


    Maybe you should watch this documentary if you wanna know more (TRAILER):

     
  16. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Believing that the webster's dictionary definition of feminism is up-to-date and infallible, is like believing that Donald Trump is literally making America great again because his brand says so.


    The language is forever changing and evolving. The word "Gay" used to mean cheerful once upon a time.
     
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  17. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Thank you Hotwater for trying to steer this thread back on topic. We've trailed off a bit haven't we.
     
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  18. Eric!

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    Yes. I'll take her for president. After an intimate encounter with me (maybe a few intimate encounters) THEN she can run for President.
     
  19. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    You stated that feminist believe that women are weak, stupid, incompetent, and helpless and that society must alter its standards and practices to cater to their fragility and provide them an external sense of self worth.
    You stated that they believe men aid women because they want to have sex with them and that they are envious of men because men have a penis and they don't.

    What you did was lump together every women who doesn't submit or kowtow to men or a social role that they don't agree with, and wishes for some type of improvement, and label them with your own personal description.
    You neglect the fact that feminism has many different ideologies, aims, movements, and individuals.
    You speak in generalities and demonize every aspect of the movement by labeling ALL of those who seek equal rights for women as seeing their gender as weak, stupid, incompetent, and helpless; the exact opposite of most feminists' views of their sex.

    Then you claim that the Merriam Webster definition of feminism is out of date.
    Here's the online definition:
    Please tell me how it's in error.
    Note that it doesn't refer to brain activity, muscle mass, height, sexual organs, hormones, or number of ribs.

    BTW, gay still means cheerful. In fact gay has multiple meanings depending on context.
     
  20. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    It looks like you resort to playing a rhetorics game to make what you said look less stupid or like an attempt at humor/provoking but as MeAgain pointed out very clear your 'defense' of your own definition of feminism is nonsense.
    You focus on the silly ones, then project that silliness on feminists in general, then project the silly behavior of (a minority of) feminists on feminism as a whole.
    Now that I think of it: you do the exact same with other groups/ideologies you have trouble with (muslims, socialism). I guess its the easiest approach when one has to vent their annoyance :p
     

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