Ok... do you think I was right or wrong?

Nope. Never heard it.

 

Interesting point, but it has absolutely nothing to with anything that I said. Even if the participants 'get something out' of the porn industry, it doesn't stop the images from contributing towards the objectification of women. If I give your mum a million quid, and then get her to pose while I smear her with shit, tie her up and shove my cock in her mouth, that image doesn't suddenly look any less degrading, does it?

 

wow.....what an asshole.....and a moron to boot

so how much money are we talking claire ? ...... i'm hoping you're cheap

 

So you actually got a camera under her skirt then?

 

I would be dissapointed with my mum if she did such a things . If my mum was into that kind of thing .. offering her a million pounds is not going to sway her view.. She would just call you a mug . If you were forcing her to do such things , then thats diffrent ?... I would not be buying such images Dok' .. that kind of porn is for a particular market , both partys get their kicks from that ?. You have heard that some porn 'actors' do certain things and don't do other things .. right ?. They still have personal boundaries ?.

 

lol......yeah .....you have to tape it to your shoe

and claire tells everyone she wears those lace panties.....but thats not what she had on...

 

If you personally found it offended then fair dinkum. I've noe objection to posters of naked people regardless of gender, but accept that what is unoffensive to me may be offensive to someone else. It's always going to be a tricky issue as some people are fine with it and some aren't. Sounds to me though that this dude didn't care less wether you were offended by it or not. Insensitivity sucks dude.

 

I'm not debating how well your mother would or wouldn't have done outta the deal. I'm debating whether the image would look degrading. Think of it this way. Instead of your mother, imagine it's a five yer old girl, but the whole thing's done in photoshop. Nobody suffers, but the image is still a degrading image, innit?

 

Little lace short type panties... gawd at least get it right

 

ofcourse ? but so what ? thats the point .

Oh your oh so clever use of bringing kids into this kind of thing.. thats a completly diffrent kettle of fish..and their are laws against it.

 

The point is that such images are promoting the degradation of women. Duh.

It's not a different thing at all. It's a perfectly valid example of the distinction between the process and the end result. You're arguing that the process that produces pornography is perfectly acceptable and I'm illustrating how this is not necessarily of relevance to the end result. I'm sorry if you think that attempting to explain my reasoning is too 'clever'. Fucking hell Matthew, I was only trying to help you understand my point.

 

I understand your point.. but i don't agree that it is true.

Do you think 'swinging' is the degradation of marriage ?

I said 'oh so clever' .. not that it was that clever realy.. just you seem to always bring the example of it being with kids.. ?. You win on that one Dok' i think that is repulsive and extremly degrading. Because thay have no concept of what they are doing. Grown adults doing whatever they wish is not degradating in anyway at all. Far from it .

I understand were your coming from, but as usual your EXTREME. Page three should be banned , right ?.

 

Is it not the viewer of the picture that makes a picture degrading or not..What is a degrading image to one person is not to another....


This though can have disturbing consequences if people do not have limits...

 

very true...

i would prefer newspapers didnt use page three models

p.s. I don't find Dok's views extreme here... I wish you could understand what it is like being a woman in this society...

 

What's extreme about finding pornography degrading? As usual, anything that you don't agree with is 'extreme'. And actually, I don't believe in banning anything. You can't legislate morality. People have to learn for themselves.

 

Surely not in all cases ...i.e paedaphilism.. morality is not enough it should be banned outright to protect innocent parties...The same with a number of far right groups, I do not feel freedom of expression makes it alright...

 

No, I was talking about areas where there's no clear agreement on what's right and wrong. Moral arguments can't be won through legislation in such instances. The majority need to be won round before the law can be used to enforce an ethical position. Of course, that leads on to an interesting discussion about whether it's right for governments to ignore the will of the majority. The death penalty springs to mind as a good example.

 

Ahh I get ya now Dok....Does kick up some very interesting debates..Especially with the far right christians being in majority in the good old U S of A

 

wee.. if you think about it.. that could be quite fun... but less of the war and more of the porn... ooh kinky.....


but seriously, you had every right to do what you did.

 

It might have been funnier to do it when nobody was about ... just remove it or replace it with a picture of the pope or something. He'd soon get bored replacing them all the time.

Actually if you send me a good picture of his face, I'll photoshop it onto a ladyboy's body ... then put that up on the wall when nobody is around and wait for the pisstaking to start.