Obama's "change"

The government can say anything it wants and most people will believe it unquestioningly. They will believe that giving up their rights will "protect" them and make them safer, even when it's been proven time and time again that the government lies and is corrupt and could not give a shit less about the people.

The government can label anyone they don't like a terrorist. It doesn't mean they are a terrorist, because in a free country, which the US no longer is, a person is innocent until proven guilty. Most people are too preoccupied with sports and Dancing with the Stars to even give a fuck about knowing what their rights are.

Someone being labled a terrorist by people who commit terrorism everyday around the world (militarily, financially and otherwise), doesn't give carte blanche to the government to just start knocking off anyone they wish to.

 

It's not that he was 'critical of the jews'. Obviously stating they were responsible for events that they were clearly not responsible in order to show they are trying to 'rule the Gentiles' isn't being 'critical', it's conspiracy theory, and it's anti Semitic.

No, all you have to do is type his name in and this information is all over the place. It's interesting that you question my sources though, since when I ask you to back up your outlandish claims (something you haven't done yet except with an incredible anti semite who discredits himself with his absurd Zionists Rule the World worldview) you get all huffy and tell me to use google.

 

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While I agree with what you're saying , you have to understand who the real terrorists are . The ones who have bought and paid for control of our government . Big business and their puppets . Sure they want us scared of the big bad middle east terrorist living in third world countries . Some of whom were C.I.A. operatives at one time or another . Talk about a conflict of interest . They want us scared of the invented monster outside , while the real one is in our own room . And as long as we are to scared to turn on the light , to see the truth for what it is , then that monster only grows hidden in the shadows . Big business globalists are the real terrorists , and the real threat to national security .

 

Except he never said "Jews are trying to rule gentiles." You made that up. Also, there is a difference between Jews and Zionist Jews who have wielded inordinate amounts of power throughout the past several centuries in banking, government and, today, the media. Look at the power Israel has and the amount of money the US gives to Israel to murder innocent men, women and children. But it's never racist to hate on towelheads. You cannot even be critical of Israel these days without being called an anti-Semite, yet people are always content to use that almost always misused, politically-driven term when people start to dig too deep.

And for the record, I don't believe Jews run everything. However, only an uninformed idiot would completely discount the impact that Zionism has had on the world, both at home and abroad.

 

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The mistake comes because many ignorant people lump the Jewish faith all together . That's like lumping all Christian's together , even though that generalization includes groups like the lunatic fringe churches like Westboro , or all Muslims as extremist terrorists .

True Jews ,are God's chosen people . And those true Jews stand against Zionism and are vocal about it . Many don't understand that the Zionist's are like the liberal democrat party here in the U.S. .

In fact as I'm sure you know that the TRUE Jews are against Israel national statehood . They don't even believe the nation itself should exist , because according to their beliefs , God has expelled the Jews from the land of Israel .

With any political movement there is power and influence . However , this doesn't speak for all the Jewish people . And these anti Semitic Jewish conspiracy NUTS are goofballs , who spread hate . And many of them are catholic , who holds one hundred more times power and influence than the Zionist's could ever dream of .

 

Change, Jo_ke_rman, has all to do about social policy, governmental transparency to social policy, and the freedom for the average citizen to adjust his daily actions for the attempts of progress he can be part of. With Obama it is only the problem of how our education has failed to permit change to be viewed as revolutionary OR evolutionary Change.:gossip:

 

So, you're saying the the government; particularly Obama -- who works for the banks and corporations -- wants revolutionary change that's in FAVOR of the good of humanity? If that's why you're saying, then I have to laugh.

If anything, people's reluctance to accept Obozo's change shows their "educational" indoctrination is failing, which could be a good thing if the Republicans weren't presented as an opposition to Obama's policies (which are not his at all), which they're not because the Republicans and the Democrats BOTH support more government and more control over people's lives.

 

Carter would want the first way. Those were the days of the movie, 'Network'.

 

Network was a good movie.

 

Actually I think you are wrong about that. We the people voted in our government (we live in a democracy). That government declared war on terrorism in 2001 or 2002, I don't remember which. That war is not over yet. That means our government has carte blanche to kill anyone they think is a terrorist. In world war II we declared war on Germany and it's allies. We did not hold trials for German soldiers before killing them. What's the difference?

If President Obama declared war on all Hip Forums members, the government would have carte blanche to shoot us on sight.

 

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The difference is , the word "terrorist" or more to the point war on "terrorism" is a subjective term . One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter . To declare true war on terror , would essentially mean declaring war on the whole world , including our own country . As EVERY country has rebels and dissidents who could be labeled as "terrorists" at the whim of government . How can you declare war on terrorists , an invisible enemy for the most part,who doesn't represent the national government of that particular homeland it's based in . Yet would result in an attack on a sovereign country and may kill innocent civilians in the process .

And yes some of these countries government do covertly back terrorists , like Saudi Arabia , and Pakistan are two of the biggest terrorists producing states there are . Yet the truth never gets told because they are considered "allies" , when the truth is they are far from it .

World war two had defined VISIBLE enemies and sovereign nations as mutual combatants . Declaring war on terrorism means nothing unless you can tie it to a sovereign foreign government , or put pressure on that government to act against its radical dissidents .

 

http://middleeast.about.com/od/usmideastpolicy/a/bush-war-on-terror-speech.htm

The link above will take you to a speech made on Sept. 20, 2001 where President Bush declared war on terror, with the full backing of Congress and the American people. So far as I know, no congress or president has yet declared this war at an end. Only a very few people complained about this declaration of war, and the ones who did were considered to be fringe nuts.

In the Vietnam war, we did not have defined or visible enemies or goals and yet we still declared war.

My premise is that war was declared by a president with the backing of congress and the American people and that war has not yet been retracted. So the government has carte blanche rights to kill anyone they think is a terrorist.

There is nowhere in any of my posts a statement declaring I believe what they are doing is right.

 

I don't think there has been a DECLARED WAR since ww2. The presidents acted unilaterally and did not adhere to the constitution,as congress is supposed to declare war, not the president. Correct me if I'm wrong,please.

 

According to dictionary.com, one definition of declare is

When the president says "I Declare War", what do you think he means by that? In my way of thinking, if the president declares war and it is not legal for him to do so, Congress and the American people should impeach him. If he is not impeached, then the declaration of war stands.

 

The Vietnam war , was never an officially declared a war to my knowledge . Nor was Korea . They were labeled conflicts , Police actions to stop communist aggregation .

 

So essentially what you're saying is this . That because Bush declared a " war on terror " , with congressional backing that that gives the U.S. , broad powers to use military attacks ,inside and against ANY sovereign nation , it deems to have terrorists ? Sorry but it doesn't hold up . And would be an instant act of war on that nation .

And the president can't "declare war " , he can only send troops without congress , if the United States is attacked . I think this was done in the seventies 75 maybe ? At the end of the Vietnam "conflict" .

 

scratcho and wolf are right. The US Constitution is very clear -- only Congress has the power to declare war, and that hasn't happened since Pearl Harbor. This is another important way that the government has gone astray. The president can ask Congress to declare war, but he cannot do it himself.

 

I know the president does not have the right to declare war. What kind of idiot do you think you are dealing with? My position is that if he does declare war and congress and the American people do not impeach him, then war is declared. Below is a quote from the President Bush speech in 2001.

Notice that President Bush said "it may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV." Exactly what do you think that means?

 

All this idealism is so refreshing, I remember when I still gave a shit.

 

I am going to let that one pass by, since I live south of the bridge and don't have the cajones to give yoopers a hard time. I do seem to care less as I age, but hopefully will never get to the point where I just don't care any more.

We usually vacation at the mouth of the Two Hearted River, my wife likes looking for agates there, it is a beautiful spot.