Obama Administration: We Can And Will Force Christians To Act Against Their Faith

Prove it!

Prove it!

 

I have proven Obamas Constitutional violations; NDAA, NDRP, HR347,The faa reauthorization act,CISPA, Drone strikes, Domestic spying, extending the patriot act, executing American citizens without trial, the arrest and prosecution of Bradley Manning, gun control, Obamacare and, war on Libya is just some instances where the Constitution was violated!

As for gun control, there are more guns in America than citizens. Even if "52%" support background checks, we already have them! Besides, as I said, people are stupid; anyone who thinks gun control will stop criminals has it totally backward! Citizens peaceably bearing arms is the best protection from Criminals with guns, and criminals will get guns regardless of the law.

 

I support marijuana legalization, I support gay marriage, I support women's rights, so naturally I sway more to Obama than say Romney.

 

I know what "no true Scotsman" is and I am not "using" it.

You basically believe that anyone that calls himself a "Scotsman", just because he calls himself a "Scotsman", has to be a "Scotsman" and I am just pointing out a simple truth to you that more is involved in being a "Scotsman" than just saying you are one, likewise with being a Christian.

Thanks again but I already know what it is.

Yes, logically discussing this with you has been rather futile.

You're welcome.

As for the "fairy tales", there is more to heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your "philosophy".

 

You have a very biased way of expressing yourself. As you know, Obama cannot sign any law that hasn't first passed both houses of Congress. Why aren't you blaming them, too? Why is all your hate directed at Obama?

 

Naturally? I don't think Obama represents those issues any better than Romney did lol. Sorry, I'm not trying to knock on you, but Obama just says that stuff to get votes, his government is still fight marijuana legalization!

 

You're assuming I biased. Bias toward what? The GOP? Not at all, buddy! Everyone has a bias, myself included. Obama is just a small part of the problem, of course. But he is able to do something about it if he tried. Obama's just as guilty as anyone else, but people wont place any blame on him. That's why I vocally oppose him..

You guys blame some imaginary "GOP," meanwhile you throw anyone who doesn't like obama in that catagory without hearing them out first.

 

No, I simply meant biased against Obama. I don't think you're a Republican.

 

Well, I hated Bush just as much. I just didn't get near as much resistance from hating him...

 

Well, I'm glad you said that, because I get extremely angry at people who go on and on about how bad Obama is, but who were mostly silent when the Bushies did the same thing (wasteful spending, killing innocent people, trashing the Constitution, etc). I was putting you in the same category, because I see this so much from hypocrites on the far right. So, I'm sorry I misread you.

I mostly agree with you about the trashing of the Constitution. That's why I belong to the ACLU, which is pretty much the only organization protecting it.

But you are still saying a lot of wrong and misleading things, like Obamacare driving up costs and taxes for the middle class.

 

You may not agree to the doctrine of the christian religion, but you should defend their right to believe as they feel is right for them.

You shouldn't be judging them so harshly. You can always walk away, turn the channel or stop reading what you don't like. You have the right to feel as you do also, but you don't have the right to judge. others and persecute them for their faith.

There are no atheists in a foxhole.

Dig yourself man and be human.

 

I'm going to say that the saying about atheists in foxholes is bullshit, spread by weak-minded christians. Atheists have had to deal with quite a bit of discrimination in the military.

I support anyone's right to believe anything they want. That does not give them the right to legislate it, or teach it in schools, and such. If their belief does say that they must violate the beliefs of others and the law of the land, then that belief is no longer harmless -- they have a right to believe, but not a right to act on harmful beliefs.

 

Religious beliefs have been incorporated into every societies laws and governing body since the dawn of time, it's inescapable.

On the flip side, they feel that the termination of a pregnancy is an immoral act.
Could you be compelled to commit something that you find absolutely immoral simply because new laws have been passed?

I don't think many in this thread have asked themselves this question, your all too fucking hung up on the fact that it is a Christian company/person taking a stand.
If it was a Buddhist company, would you still react the same SunLion????

Personally, I have a hard time forming solid opinions on these type of things, I can see the merit and validity of both sides of the argument.

and all you hippies who scream about intrusive government should be coming to this guys defense regardless of religious beliefs.

 

schools no longer refer to Christmas break, it is now officially "winter break"

small, trivial, seemingly insignificant, but the result of atheism's influence on the legislative process in this country.

 

Maybe the pressure is coming from Jews and Moslems, not just atheists.

 

Oh right. Ok. It's a fair few of your e.g's - but I'm not sure 'every other one'. Anyhoo, I'm not going through all that again.

 

the feds and the health insurance industry have entered a completely facist
arrangement . did some insurance companies not consent to this ?

 

Props on the ACLU thing. I've read several articles about Obamacare. One about the "glitch," that would tax (some) middle class families, "out of existence." and another which was entitled "the secret cost of Obamacare." I'm strongly against Obamacare, because we've been paying toward medicare for 40 years, and the price of insurance has gone up, the quality of service has gone down, and there are more people (pertcentage wise) who don't have insurance since the government has been in the business. It's also true that the Special Interest groups who sponsored the passing of obamacare, were rich insurance companies! Therefore, to me this is just a money making gimmick. (I know for damn sure these rich insurance companies don't give a shit about the poor,) they just want to abolish competition and drive the price way up, to line their own pockets! (imho)

 

I wouldn't do something immoral because of the law, but I also simply wouldn't hire people who I consider to be murderers, if they think that birth control or abortion are equal to murder they should not hire people who will be forcing them to spend money on that.

The law doesn't force anyone to give up being EMS and take up being an abortionist, or anything like that. It just says that you have to give your employees health care. We're talking about the morning after pill and such.

Tolerance for belief is fine, but allowing belief that directly contradicts reality, to dictate behavior that affects anyone but the believer, is morally wrong. So, the believer has a choice: don't hire people who you judge would use birth control, or don't hire people.

 

Freedom FROM religion should always trump freedom OF religion.
Faith = ignorance... "force Christians to act against their ignorance".
Sounds like a plan.