Obama Administration: We Can And Will Force Christians To Act Against Their Faith

This is a huge attempt at nullifying the First Amendment. They have made laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion. They certainly cannot pretend that they are not Marxists anymore..

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/oba...will-force-christians-act-against-their-faith

The Obama administration is the enemy of the Constitution and republic!!

 

"Religious Freedom" doesn't give you the "freedom" to ram your imaginary invisible useless sky monster down the throats of others.

 

What exactly is this abortion inducing drug the article mentions numerous times?

It never actually states the name of the drug. I have a strange feeling it's referring to the morning after pill

 

They have faith, so they don't need facts. Facts have a liberal bias.

 

thank Allah i'm muslim

 

"God Bless those Pagans."
-Homer

 

"Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious beliefs and opinions, they may with practices."

(By the way, Obama didn't write this)

I don't believe this particular case is unique. So I'm not quite sure why you are getting so overly emotional (The Obama administration is the enemy of the Constitution and republic!! ).

This company pays Taxes doesn't it? These people pay taxes don't they? Are you telling me every single penny they pay in taxes goes towards something that doesn't violate their precious beliefs? I very much doubt it.

They also have approx 13.000 staff members. In 40 years not one of their employees has had an abortion? Mmm, doubt it.

What their employees do is THEIR business.

I really don't see their argument, tbh : /
All they are doing is making themselves look intolerant and stupid.


Meliai

I would imagine so. Given there are several they probably just decided to use the catch all 'abortion inducing drug'.

“FDA-approved forms of contraception” include the morning-after pill, also known by brand names such as Plan B One-Step (Barr Pharmaceuticals), Next Choice (Watson Pharmaceuticals), and ella (Watson Pharmaceuticals). The FDA’s “Birth Control Guide” states that such pills function by stopping “the ovaries from releasing an egg” or stopping “sperm from joining with the egg.”

However, the FDA neglects to mention in this guide that the morning-after pill can also “keep a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus,” as detailed by the Mayo Clinic. The official company websites for Plan B One-Step, Next Choice, and ella all confirm that this is the case, which implicates the issue of abortion because at fertilization, the genetic composition of preborn humans is formed. This genetic information determines gender, eye color, hair color, facial features, and influences characteristics such as intelligence and personality. Thus, morning-after pills can terminate a unique human life.

http://www.justfactsdaily.com/is-th...ing-people-to-pay-for-abortion-inducing-drugs

 

The business deals with the general public, and is happy to take anyone's money. They employ people who are not christian, or who do not hold their particular beliefs.

Giving employees imcomplete health insurance because you personally don't like their decisions in private matters that should be between them and their doctors, is considerably more insidious than simply only letting them work the number of hours they need for care, minus one.

No individual should have to pay for something like that if they don't want to, but they are not indiduals, they're running a large company with many employees and customers of many opinions. Healthcare means nothing if you say that an employer doesn't have to pay if they don't believe in paying. How about a business run by a sect that does not believe in all sorts of medical intervention? For instance, scientologists? Or all the various faith-healing christians who regularly kill their children, because they don't believe in things like insulin? It would be pretty conveniant to have a corporation that believes in treating diabetes through prayer, it's a pretty expensive disease. All you have to do is say that your religion forbids such a treatment, and suddenly you don't have to provide all sorts of health coverage for people who do not subscribe to your religion.

 

Thanks for that post Roor'

I've lost my patience with Those People. "So many preachers, so few lions."

 

I'm a Christian and don't feel that my faith is inhibited in the least by legislation protecting the rights of women employees against private employers who want to restrict their rights to health care. There are many Christians like me who don't believe that fetuses are persons with rights until they have enough neurological development to qualify--which is well beyond conception. To label as "Marxist" any restriction on the rights of employers to abuse their employees is to take us back to the turn of the century, when employers invoked freedom of contract and "substantive due process" to enslave the working class.

 

So an employer can with hold benefits from their employees based on their own beliefs?

So if your boss is a Jehovah's Witness he can with hold coverage of blood transfusions?

People work where they can get jobs. They shouldn't have their health care curtailed by the fiat of their employers.

yet another reason why we need single payer universal health care.

 

Are atheists acting against their faith by letting churches keep their tax exemption?

 

Atheism is not a religion so I wonder why you used the word faith.

 

Atheism isn't proven -- and probably will never be completely provable -- there is belief involved.

Faith isn't limited to religious matters; nor even spiritual ones; ask any sports fan.


Oh, and this is very tangential anyway, because I was just using wording similar to OP's to drive home the inanity and unfairness in his argument.

 

Yes, because obviously there's God's voice speaking to us from heaven informing us of his existence. Oh, wait, you prefer an image on a piece of toast.

 

A-theism is an opposition to belief in a god. I've met many who believe pretty strongly.

The fact is, the inexistence of a god has not been proven. Atheism does not mean that you think religion is simply lacking proof, atheism means you believe there to be no god.

 

I really do not want to get into this with you. If you'd seen my "God does not exist" thread, you'd know that God does not exist.

 

I think I've been in it.

But, that is very presumptious of you.

SOMEthing very clearly does exist, even if everything "just is", there are acting forces, and great things unseen and unknown.

The christian god is totally fucking stupid (no offence anyone) and it is highly unlikely that he exists, but him not existing is still not a fact. Many of us may act as though it is for simplicitys sake, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's still sort of a belief.

"freedom of religion" needs to cover more than simply having fantasies, and if you are not a member of a mainstream religion, you shouldn't simply decide you don't need it. Human spirituality and belief (and the balls to admit that you are talking about your belief) and their free exercise is important to you, clearly, and you do need to assert the legitimacy of your stance, under the law. But at the same time, with that legitimacy asserted, you must understand the need to protect others from you, to protect their first amendment rights.

For instance, an atheist could make the same abortion claim, that life, even before it's human life, counts and can't be ended under any circumstances, because of how improbable and thus precious it is. Or you could even go the other way and say that there is no god, and so money is your god and you believe in survival of the fittist and social darwinism, and so you will not pay for ANY healthcare because there is no god telling you to be nice and you don't "believe" in being nice. This is an assenine stance of course, but, it's an example of why belief of employers can't dictate what health insurance they offer.

 

States the one believing magic really is more than illusion.

 

This is why you're not qualified to talk about this.

I never said anything remotely like that.

You are entering this in a charged way, you have a particular goal, particular beliefs about it, and a particular zealotry that would make many christians blush.

You're basically saying anything that puts you up against anyone who does not agree with every word you say -- you are not, however, thinking about those words.

Give me a break.... You BELIEVE so strongly that there can not be a god, that you will shit all over the scientific method, and say that because it's not likely, and you see no proof of one, you can act as though you have proof against one, and say, definitively, that there is none. It's totally logical to assume there is none, and act like it, but it's totally BELIEF driven to say it as though it's a fact.

Besides, atheists clearly can, and often do, have other beliefs based on their basic belief that (just like christians) THEY are right in their beliefs about god, or a lack thereof: specifically, the doctrine of social darwinism is particularly relivant to a belief that could be used as a healthcare-cop-out.