Noam Chomski: Antifa Is A Gift To The Right

[SIZE=11pt]Oh Rat I love your posts they are so easy to bat - maybe because they are mainly balls. [/SIZE]

LOL – yes the USA that well known left wing country were all those poor right wingers have been persecuted for years, who can forget the many left wing establishment purges of right wingers, the Scares, the jailing of well-known right wingers like Eugene Debs, the McCarthy witch-hunts, the un-American committees, the loyalty oaths all those nasty left wing tricks to suppress right wing thought.

And of course the deeply left wing foreign policy, going into Vietnam to save it from the famously right wing Vietcong, arming the left wing contras to take down the right wing Sandinista government bringing down all those right wing governments to put in left leaning regimes or its many attempts to stamp out free market thinking around the world and the promotion of socialistic economics

Oh yes the US home of social and economic equality, universal healthcare, and the best funded welfare system in the world.

 

Balls


Geez, I guess millions upon millions of people didn't lose their lives under Communism after all.

LOL have you actually read any history?

Communism is a socio-economic model just as capitalism is a socio-economic model and I don’t think anyone that has studied history is going to claim that capitalistic models haven’t caused their fair share of unnecessary deaths? I mean come on, the Slavery system was a capitalistic socio-economic model for fuck sake.

Having said that their never really has been a communist state as envisioned by people like Marx or Engels who proposed it, for the reasons I’ve already given that it was utopian and so unrealistic, and it’s not surprising that it got corrupted beyond all recognition from the dream. I’m sure Jesus would have had something to say about the catholic church under the Borgias or the Spanish inquisition or the crusades.

But there are some good ideas in communist thought, I’d urge you to read the Communist Manifesto its very short (Capital is long and a bit of a slog)

As I keep seemingly have to remind people reality is very seldom black and white.

 

MeAgain

Thing is that this age of unreason* has been noted for years but in many ways rather than seeing this as a threat to their society many politicians and wealth backed institutions have actively encouraged it.

So many people now don’t think they need rationality or facts to back up their ideas since they have been taught that ‘feeling’ and beliefs are just as solid, if they believe something to be true it is ipso facto the truth whatever evidence may say to the contrary.

In a debate such people feel no need to put forward a rational or reasonable argument – their views are right and if they are right then it doesn’t matter what their opponents say they must be wrong, because they are wrong, because they have a different viewpoint to them then it stands to ‘reason’ that they must be wrong.

If history, statistics or reason even hints at something different than their belief then it is wrong also and can therefore be ignored. To them it is simple, black and white, they are right so any other view is wrong.

Basically they are the Creationists of political thought.

*a good book on this is - The Age of American Unreason – by Susan Jacoby (2008) [edit : forgot to put this in]

I do find it extremely funny that so many right wingers think George Orwell was some type of right wing prophet.

They seem to forget that Eric Blair (his real name) was a deeply committed socialist I don’t think some right wingers can get their heads around someone being a socialist but been opposed to totalitarian regimes like Stalin’s. Again it seems to be that black and white absolutist thinking at work – right wingers oppose Stalin – left wingers supports Stalin – there can be nothing else, no subtly or shade its either/or.

 

^ Might want to read the Marxist communist manifesto, especially chapter two. THe ten steps. It is the road map for Obama.

Shawn Otto is a political strategist. Keep that in mind as you read it and is not a scientist by any means.

 

Step 1: Implement communism
Step 2: Celebrate
Step 3: Famines occur and death camps get built
Step 4: Claim that wasn't real communism

Step 5: Repeat the deadly viscous cycle again and again, while ignoring history.

 

i can add to this bu it saves me a lot of typing.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2012/07/26/president-obamas-marxist-leninist-economics-fact-and-fiction/#44ca9a27f0f5

 

I don't know but please don't blame me for getting off topic. I was responding to you and following along with the line of conversation going on here!
You ask me a question and then I answer you in a civil manner and get a hostile, condescending response. Wtf?
Not that I really care , but your response, and lack of one says a lot!

What does that have to do with ANTIFA? Others are talking about communism in this thread, long before me.

Why? because Marxism, antifa, communism and fascism go hand in hand as history shows and this is all the work of Obamas administration to create this unrest, to which he used the communist manifesto to bring this about in America through support of these groups.

 

Ok meagain, was not meant to be condescending, if you say so, to which us a rediculous statement in itself.

I really don't think Americans understand fascism. They ignore history while so called moderates pretend that it is not facts. They all come down to the same goal and come together to do it.

Fascism, communism, socialism, Marxist works hand in hand, same shit different name.

It is a fraud!

Mussolini gained power by saying that they were the only choice confronting Italy and were for the greater good.

Hitler gained power by saying that they were the only choice confronting Germany and were for the greater good.

Germany 1933 elections the Communist Party was told by its leaders ito vote for the Nazis, saying that they could later fight the Nazis for power, but first they had to help destroy their common enemy: capitalism and its parliamentary Government.

They are two variations of the same political system. It s goal was to eliminates capitalism. I becomes bad, individualism becomes evil. Success becomes greed.

it changes your choices from Freedom or dictatorship into Which dictatorship. In the end establishing dictatorship as an inevitable fact and offering only a choice of rulers. The choice is a fascist dictatorship of the rich or a communist dictatorship of the poor. When in reality they both have the same goal which is to kill capitalism, once that is done we will fight our turf war who will fight for ruling that territory.

This was seen during ww2, the fraud was exposed. Communism and fascism are not opposition, but just two rival gangs. They are both variations of statism based on collectivist principals. Man is the slave of the state. They both are socialists in every aspect, practice and theory.

Both systems promote that the poor are enslaved and the rich are taken from in favour of the collective group or ruling group. It is not rich versus poor but is actually man vs state or individuals vs a totalitarian government. This breaks down to capitalism vs. Socialism. They blame the opposition for failures of their own.

Both also take from the so called rich to help the so called poor. Don't forget that Russia and Germany were originally on the same side until they had their turf war. Italy and Germany the same thing. France and Germany as well. Japan and germany too were working together. So we're Islamic Muslim countries working with hitler.

If you want to ignore history and pretend what obama brought about in the USA is not what is happening I don't know what to tell you. If you think that nazism is about white vs black you are mistaken. Looks like the communists/fascist and antifa in the USA have convinced you of this.

Antifa is not black shirts vs brown shifts. They are black shirts working in tandem with communists/fascists.socialist against trump in an attempt to overthrow the elected government, which was evident in Washington, D.C., Berkeley and Seattle.

 

I don't think you understand Fascism. Your show zero understanding of history. Did you ever take a course in it.? At what grade level? Not a single historian or political scientist agrees with your views. The rich did quite well under Hitler and Mussolini. Trump gained power by saying he was the only choice confronting the United States, so I guess that makes him a Communist Fascist. Neither Hitler nor Mussolini had the goal of eliminating capitalism, but did provide state supervision of it in a regime that suppressed the independence of labor unions. They resembled Communism only in being dictatorships. Yes Russia and Nazi Germany made a peace pact temporarily out of expediency, since both were unscrupulous, but it didn't last long as Hitler attacked the Soviet Union. Antifa is a different animal altogether--anarchist to the bone. If you think the Obama administration was anything like either, you're lliving in a FoxNews world of Alternative Reality.

 

I'm pretty sure that what Beach Ball Lady Balls is trying to say, is that the leaders have advertised and sold their "isms" as a source of wealth, prosperity, and power to the people. And the citizens all bought into the ideas of communism, fascism, nazism, socialism, marxism and whatever have you. And the end result has ultimately been the same: warfare, death camps, poverty, totalitarianism, total government control. So yes, you can say all those things are different until the cows come home. But the end result is authoritarian rule.

 

Still, the greatest American to beat down on Nazis was definitely Indiana Jones. Not the American army or anything. Indi could take care of that shit himself with just some help from his Egyptian friend.

 

So did Captain Kirk of the starship enterprise

 

And the inglorious bastards