No Truth

No Truth
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I am my own self-ruler
I need not any ministry
I see our music scares you
Can't you see that...

There's no truth in modern religion, a god we do not praise
There's no truth in heaven or hell or what lies between
There's no truth in a man-made bible, so who are they to say?
There's no truth, we are our own god and that's the only way

People live their lives
By something never seen
Dreaming all their lives
Of a place they've never been

Why can't you see live a lie?
Humor yourself until you die
We're atheist as you can see
We all control our can see

There's no truth


Madalyn Murray (later O'Hair), wrote a document used in the court case Murray v. Curlett, 1961-APR-27. It reads, in part:

"An Atheist loves himself and his fellow man instead of a god. An Atheist knows that heaven is something for which we should work now - here on earth - for all men together to enjoy. An Atheist thinks that he can get no help through prayer but that he must find in himself the inner conviction and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, to subdue, and enjoy it. An Atheist thinks that only in a knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfillment. Therefore, he seeks to know himself and his fellow man rather than to know a god. An Atheist knows that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An Atheist knows that a deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death. He wants disease conquered, poverty vanquished, war eliminated. He wants man to understand and love man. He wants an ethical way of life. He knows that we cannot rely on a god nor channel action into prayer nor hope for an end to troubles in the hereafter. He knows that we are our brother's keeper and keepers of our lives; that we are responsible persons, that the job is here and the time is now."


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Then by all means, don't believe in god. Just don't criticize those with beliefs that differ from yours--it makes you no better than the fundamentalist christians.

 

then i guess christains shouldn't look at this stuff then (the atheist part)... and i wans't trying to critisize anyone it's just a song that i found and liked so i was just presenting it for others to see

 

is this song on kazaa? I like it... but I sorta think its selfish to believe only in humans.. its whats killed the earth.. we're here to take care of the planet, not to give our pennies to priests, or slaughter the biblical enemy....

 

If there is no truth, then it is false that God doesn't exist.

 

to believe only in one's self and other people isn't selfish, it's a better way of looking at things. it's saying that you really don't need the outside help of something that isn't going to answer your prayers anyway. it's an odd way of looking at things, but in the long run you're not going to be as dissapointed with most people. god will let you down just as much anyway. putting your trust in something that isn't there will always let you down. that's why you should believe in yourself and in humanity. they acctually exist. damn i'm tired and ranting.....

 

The truth is as plain as the nose on your face ... excepting of course you don't got one!

 

Eric, I like the quote from Issac Asimov it really does make sense. That is how I feel. Actually I am open to a religion that makes sense, but I am almost 60 now and have not found anything yet.

IceCream, you do not have to apologise for your post. It was what was on your mind and I, for one am with you. This is a forum to discuss non-belief after all.

 

That's a little easy don't you think? You're referring to a song, not some logically constructed argument.

Ofcourse there is truth and the truth is that there is no evidence whatsoever to back up any religion. On the contrary, there is a lot of evidence against most religions.

 

The poster is making an argument, and a seriously flawed one. If he chooses to do it in the form of a song, then that's his business. But it's an argument nonetheless.

No, there certainly is plenty of evidence to back up Christianity, you just choose not to accept it.

 

And not a single word of the path of reason.

Is this all theists and atheists can do....?
Sling shit at eachother?

Are not some of us rational?
Yes...

That is why agnosticism.
Is the path of understanding.

Theism/atheism.. is a path of rebutle and denial. Of groundless claim and groundless counter claim.
While the world slips into a miasma of indifference.
Lulled by hopes of heavenly salvation or ego empowerment.

Occam would like to sit down with jesus and talk about this..
For he would be the LAST one to support such theological crud.


Occam

 

Jerry Springer. Jerry Springer.... Religions are scripted to get peoples goat. If you know what the different religions are for...... you might actually find them to be amusing (or maybe not, I still don't watch Springer). Your reaction to religion shows that you do not "get it".

 

If I see my neighbor every day can I claim to know that he exists? If I see him once a month can I claim to know that he exists?

If I have another neighbor who is ever present, controlling everything and I do not notice this neighbor because I am looking at the trees instead of the forest, does this mean the neighbor does not exist? Can I claim to know this neighbor exists, although i can only see trees or part of the forest because the forest stretches beyond the reach of my vision?

 

Kharkov

If you see him. he exists by the parrameters of human understanding.

If you have a neighbor who controls everything you do. And you cannot
see this . But can see the 'direction' that this neighbor imposes.
Then you are in the same boat as occam

But occam does not call this direction..... god.
He cals it 'direction'.

Occam sees no need to call such direction 'god in heaven'
'God in heaven is a falacy created by humans'
And the bible/koran books made by MEN.

The 'direction' indicative of organised reality.
Has NO link to the christian/moslem god.
That god is a god because we want a god.
Some,, want a god.
And call the existence of life and empirical complexity a
proof of such a god.
This is a deception.

Organisation and complexity in reality requires only..direction.
Not the mythos of a religious god.
The christian/moslem mythis is not required.
By agnostics

Agnosticism= reason

Occam

 

i can see where you're comming from with your view of Agnosticism. it is reasonable to say that there may or may not be a god, but i think that the rational answer is that there isn't. and as far as the shit slinging, i agree that people get a bit defensive when it comes to what they do or do not believe in. but that's neither here nor there....

 

Then by all means, present it. What valid evidence or arguments are there that back up any kind of theism? I don't see anything valid that I don't accept - just invalid nonsense and gibberish that I rightfully reject.


- J Lazarus

 

If you have faith, then the evidence is all around you all the time. You can see the magnificence of God in His creation. But faith is a choice, and because you lack faith, you choose not to see.

 

It pains me to say it- but no, that's not the rational answer. It's a rationalized answer. It fails to take all the known facts into account. It's every bit as much a mattter of assumption and opinion as the other side.

It may be possible that something that displays some or all of the attributes commonly credited to an undefined-god may exist.
That's the rational answer.

 

when dealing with something like god there are no set facts, only theories. therefore through rational thought we can safely say that there is no man up there sitting on a cloud watching every move we make. while there may be arguements both ways, only one is reasonable. think of it this way : to recieve god's help with anything, you have to believe in it. you can believe that you have a cold, and if you convince yourself that it's true, you will start showing symptoms. this leads me to believe that god is nothing more than a subconscious entity that people have made up to feel better about their own lives. it's human nature to need something to lean on. what better than a god that's all powerful? we're told that he's real, so that makes it more present in our minds. if you think about it rationaly, it's nothing more than a story we're told that makes us more comfortable with life. and people follow it blindly to the day they die.

 

does anyone else feel extremely patronised by this statement? "because you lack faith, you choose not to see". this is the reason im an atheist. people like that. i do NOT choose not to see. i see everything that i possibly can and i welcome everything that i see. the world before me is a beautiful, extraordinary place and has many spiritual beauties that i love. i am forever amazed at how wonderful things are, and at the same time how ugly and dysfunctional things can be in the world. i can accept and welcome these things.

i DO see. however, i do NOT see what you see. that does not mean what i see is wrong. it also does not mean my life will be any more or less wondrous than yours or anyone else who has faith. everyone is the master of their beliefs and in our own minds what we believe is right. however, there is no wrong. please do not patronise people when it comes to beliefs.