No throw up HBWR?

I know this is probably in vein but... I've been reading up extensively on how to get more of a pure lsa extract from my HBWR and less of the natural arsenic that surrounds the seeds, (which is another question I have).

So... I've come up with a couple of methods and I wanna know if anyone's confirmed that they are no throw up, or atleast less nauseating than just eating the seeds.

Also is it true that it contains arsenic in the seed shells?

Anyway Sublingual looks the most promising, (just mashing them up, putting the powder in a shotglass, adding some lemon juice and holding it in your mouth for 20 minutes)

The "Fuel extraction" method seems a bit too lengthy and dangerous

and a moderate "water extraction" seems pretty interesting as well... but ineffective.

So... What do you think is the best way to take HBWR? Or just get LSA in general?

I'm a somewhat seasoned psychonaut, so I'm not anticipating some huge gigantic trip or anything. But I am wanting to seriously do some therapy via psychedelic trip.

 

I have use morning glory seeds on multiple occasions, but HBWR seeds have much more LSA in them. I would finely powder the seeds, and do a cold water extraction. Easy and effective method without making a 'meth lab' to get raw LSA.

That shotglass idea would be either really good, or really bad- The cold water extraction normally taste like a really earthy tea- I wouldn't want to hold that in my mouth for very long. I've used the cold water extraction with great success, give that a try. Holding lemon juice in your mouth for that long is not going to be worth it.

My last morning glory seed trip I did was at a whopping 800 seeds, I assume it was more or less like 650, since you lose a little LSA in the coldwater extraction- but I got a acid like high, and a few altered colors. Don't expect strong hallucinations unless you go above and beyond a normal dosage. You may also want to be careful with your psychedelic therapy, LSA lowers your blood pressure, and as with all hallucinogens, you don't want to do them too often.

Hope I was a little assistance?

 

I tried the cold water extracting a few days ago. I ground up 7 HBWR seeds (that I'd scraped thoroughly first), added them to a jar of cold water and left it in the fridge for 24 hours. Then I strained the seed gunk out and drank the leftover liquid which was an earthy green colour and didnt taste that bad.
I started to get pretty bad nausea after only about 4 minutes, and had to lie down. I kept still and breathed deeply for about fourty minutes (managed not to puke) at which point the nausea began to fade and be replaced by sudden rushes of euphoria. The whole experience lasted around 8 hours and I'd compare it to a fairly low dose acid trip. There were spectacular closed eye visuals, lights seemed brighter etc.
Also, I was under the impression LSA causes vasoconstriction which is essentially a narrowing of veins and arteries. This causes an increase in blood pressure, not a decrease.
I did experience some pain in my legs when trying to walk, which must've been due to this.
Overall I'd say it was well worth the experience. No pain, no gain right?
I cant really comment on the best method of preparing the seeds, as this was my first time using them.
I read somewhere that the coating on the seeds contained Cyanide, but that seems pretty improbable to me....as does Arsenic!
Anyway, hope some of that helped and I'd be interested to hear which method you use and your results etc.
Cheers

 

In my experience 650 seeds without extraction were totally mindblowing - intense closed eye visuals, extreme 'pixelation', trails and geometrical patterns everywhere with open eyes, colors pulsating, sky changing colors, time stopping and finally even archetypal mystical experience of total unity.

In my experience, water extractions ARE ineffective! Go figure this - I only had nausea when I drank extracts, never with raw seeds! Do yourself a favour - grind up seeds, mix with cold water and drink whole thing quickly. You'll thank the seeds later, after realising their true potential.

 

Thanks everyone, I'll be trippin in a couple of days from now and I feel much more confident now

 

DEA list LSA as a real drug in HBWR, and Morning Glory seeds... It is illegal to extract them.. heheheeh .. So. lol.......

 

OOOoooh... well in that case I was just kidding about extracting and all that ........hehehe

 

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Hey mom, I just need to borrow the stove for 6 hours, I need to boil 2 liters of DEET. Should I open a window?

 

i had to edit the end. It was a little OFF..

 

Riiiight... bugspray... lol
Anyway I think I'll just stick to alternative methods...

 

Actually the DEET method I tried many yrs ago with an Ergot culture.. Ergot Mash , not Seeds.. With no lab equipment and regular distillations. / a still / steam dist....

I tripped balls.. < complete BS. it didnt do anything... But Man did it have some potentially placebo effects.. lol.

 

First dose, had a little nausea. used the sublingual administration and had very minor nausea, it seems to have passed slightly and I'm feelin GREAT!

I am so estatic right now, I love the whole world and time seems to have slowed down incredibly... which is very enjoyable.

 

5th dose now... I can now study... which was an impossible feat due to the incredible amount of stress I had held up in myself. Talked myself into studying... although it is a bit difficult now just because of the nature of the whole ordeal.

I am.....just peachy... just fine. Time is racing by now... I have so much energy.

I'm sorry for doing the whole "trip report" thing or whatever... I am not good enough of a writer to get it published on erowid and I just want to share it with the world...

Although I feel... incredible, I am not hindered at all in speech. I am talking to my girlfriend (who doesn't know i'm trippin' XD) and having a blast! Math is actually understandable... And I've come to all sorts of revelations.

:afro:

 

Thanks for sharing, interesting to hear the sublingual method works so well. How many seeds did you use?

 

It's hard to say, I crushed them up and stored them in a bag.

I had originally 20 seeds, and cut them into 20 piles to measure them... so I reckon about 3 seeds at a time, 3 times in 5 hours.

Then the next day did about the same

WARNING: If you're exhausted, DO NOT USE LSA! It will trigger one of the most intense headaches and overall horrible feeling ever once your trip is done.

After the second day of using it I had very little sleep.... dosed around 6 PM and the next day had to study for a final. It was so bad I threw away the rest of my bag
(Only to dig it out of the trash this evening), the "hangover" lasted for up until 4 hours ago... It ended in nose bleeds and horrible headaches.

 

this is not true.. you have Serotonin syndrome .. you have over loaded yourself with compounds that are proven to STALL migraine headaches..

Taking them often, will trigger headaches.. if you are lucky thats all that will happen. Serotonin syndrome isnt good when it reaches other stages..
The symptoms are often described as a clinical triad of abnormalities to list a few:

• Cognitive effects: headache, agitation, hypomania, mental confusion, hallucinations, coma

There have been many times Ive driven in the middle the night with light blinding migraine headache. Walked to the garden section :even if its seasonal its still open. Grab a 4 pack of Morning Glory seeds /year round/ Smash em up and within hours the Headache is gone..

Stop abusing them, its all I can say..

If you burn a candle at both ends you usually get burnt..

 

Wow, that makes alot of sense.
Thanks Orison... although I have experienced S.S before it was much, much worse (life threatening DXM trip) and the comparisons were hard to match.

I really did learn my lesson however, and will learn to space out trips in the future, and take them more responsibly...

which is funny because the first time I tripped was to clear my mind and be more productive (WHICH IT DID DO) but the second trip was certainly just to abuse it and make myself feel better.

I guess I have an "addictive personality" and it's good to hear a wakeup call once in a while to confirm this.

Thanks to everyone! Much love.

 

I admit to skimming a lot of your thread, first of all.


Arsnic in seeds? Umm no, not that I've ever heard of, ANYWHERE.....

It's put on some seeds, but it's not natural, it's because it's not toxic to the plant but is toxic to kids, bugs, and microorganisms who would eat the seeds.

There's NO reason to extract HBWR, otherwise you might as well get MGS, which is what I'd do anyway. HBWR are few and small enough you can just munch on a a few of them.

Fuel and shit? what are you talking about? if you really want, on MGS there's some stuff you can do, like a nonpolar wash, but a water or alcohol extraction will get done what needs to get done. It's not hard, I've used a T-shirt and 2 rocks to grind and cold water extract LSA. Unfortionately, I was tired and slept through most of the effects, as LSA makes one tired anyway.

Also, what the hell do you think you're doing, taking LSA back to back like that? Even with LSD or something that would be a waste, but with LSA it's considerably more potentially life threatening, not just from seratonin syndrome, but also because of heart/blood related problems, you could have a stroke or deadly blood clots.