No Diploma,No welfare?

Should there be some sort of restrictions on people applying for welfare benefits who chosed to drop out of high school?

 

If you'll permit me a joke, it sounds like this is an issue close to your heart.

I say heck no,
but that's obviously because I'm a communist.
I'd also never apply for it, though, for the same reason.
And I am a dropout.

I would say that, if I payed taxes
(theoretically, because I honestly intend never to meet the requirements to),
I would want to be sure all of the money goes to a damn good cause
(which is the reason why I don't want to pay them- because they won't).

In the state of the country right now, there is far from enough welfare aid where it is needed (I'm young, but I've seen all of that, a good deal first-hand). Increasing restrictions on who is eligible to recieve welfare isn't exactly going to help that problem, though.

Sometimes it seems like that's just too common a solution already...

 

As you phrased it, no.

However, requiring welfare recipients to get (or work towards) a GED makes good sense. But I think that the current "welfare to work" rules either include that, or the "transition to work" programs take up the recipient's time so that working towards a GED becomes unreasonable.

 

Rabbits,



No,this came to mind after talking to someone who was fustrated over kids in her high school dropping out.

I asked what types of jobs they were getting after dropping out and she said most didn't hold on to fast food jobs long,but they had no problem applying for welfare. This got me wondering if many who drop out of high school see less of a problem with it because they know welfare will be there? So how about restricting welfare in some way? Maybe this will make more stay in school if they know it won't be easy to just drop out and collect welfare?

 

Clinton changed things. Welfare is no longer a career option. (No matter how many kids they have.)

 

actually, i believe there are exceptions for people who have VERY young kids.

but you're right..its like 5 years max. There are a lot better ways to stiff the government than the welfare anyways.

 

Oh, I was kidding about your use of the word 'chosed,' Motie.

You know, it's funny-
I never even considered welfare when I dropped out, or
when I didn't have a place to stay, or any of that shit.
It wasn't until I started making solid contacts with people
who honestly had decent circumstances that those people
suggested it to me.
I honestly hate the idea myself, but regardless I would defend
without end recipients of welfare- it just struck me as odd the people
who had it on theirs minds.
Although, it was easier for them to think about it,
when they weren't actually on the streets.
It's funny how the term 'decent circumstances' can have
such different meanings for everyone you see walking down the street.
Maybe they really did need it...

{Don't mind me, I'm just thinking with my keyboard}
[hmm...kinda catchy~ maybe i just found a new signature, hehe]

 

1. Both educated and un-educated people can work, and can lose their jobs without any fault.
2. Completion of High School isn't necessary for trades etc. (important jobs)

So IMO, the answer is no. The entire potential workforce should have a safety net despite their education.

 

Dude, your priorities are messed up. Tackle corporate welfare then lets talk about welfare because welfare compared to corporate welfare is nothing.

 

What?
Are you one of those
"What's good for big business is ultimately good for us all"
type of guys?

 

Not a bad idea.. Though really I think it would be better to have compulsory drug tests for welfare recipients..

 

This article was writen in 2002,so I'am not sure if they're referring to those who got on welfare before the 96 reforms. Anyway it touches on the connection of high school dropouts having a higher chance of being and staying on welfare.



" According to this study, high school dropouts are slower to leave welfare than other recipients, and are more likely to return to welfare. And about 40 percent of New Mexicans who are still on welfare are high school dropouts... "


LINK

 

Why do some kids drop out?



What types of jobs do many of these kids who dropout tend to get or want? I think some of this can be related to people's career goals.

I believe that for the most part people will do or try to do with themselves what they feel they need to do educationally in order to meet the job goals that they have. For whatever reason some kids who dropout must be satisfied with the types of jobs that don't require a high school diploma,so they may see no need in getting one. Just like kids who are interested in getting a job that requires more than a high school diploma aren't going to dropout because they know that would be counter to getting the job that they may want.

So I think part of reducing high school dropouts,which could reduce those having to apply for welfare, is to find ways to expand the career goals of kids who are endanger of dropping out. Then they will do what's needed educationally to meet these other career goals.

 

Many who drop out really don't "choose" to. Many drop outs are undiagnosed ADHD sufferers, people with learning disorders, kids who live in such disorganized and dysfunctional homes, that school is not something they can handle, the way it is. They couldn't have finished school, the way our schools run, if they had wanted to. People shouldn't starve because they didn't get proper parenting, or proper schooling. And, by all means, should a crack addicts kids starve, too? Maybe someone who just is down on thier luck an take a toke once in a while should starve along with his or her children?

Look at all the freakin money Corporation cost this country, and how much waste they create, and how they get REWARDED for it. I can't see making any welfare recipiant into a fiend of any kind. There are a lot more evil, greedy and selfish people in High Finance. They take more from you, individually, than all the welfare recipiants put together. And, for these Conservative assholes, their evils are LEGAL.

"Welfare" is the least of our worries in THIS country. (USA.)

 

Maggie Sugar,

I can see exceptions being made with this,like some with diagnosed learning problems and other situations.

This is aimed more at those kids who don't take getting educated seriously. Plus,many of these kids who do dropout may be modeling the behaviour they've seen in their community with others who dropped out and are now on welfare.

Whether some kids actually see dropping out as less of a big deal or not because of welfare access,connecting welfare access to educational attainment could help break the cycle or pattern of those kids who just want to dropout for reasons not related to any learning disorder or overly bad home life. I mean, many kids from bad homes still get their diplomas,most probably do.

 

Good heavens no! The piece of shit parent should drop the crack.

 

First, you don't know how easy it is to graduate now adays, with the no child left behind act, a high school diploma pretty much means shit, they will make you pass if they have to do your work for you where I go to school.

No, a crack addicts kids shouldn't starve, the kid should be in a foster home where they may be able to lead a healthy normal life. And someone down on his luck shouldn't be paying money for weed if he has a starving family, anyone who does drugs to get away from a problem needs to get into rehab and get their shit straight.

Personally, I think welfare should be for the disabled, and anyone else on it should have a month on it to find a job, if you can't get work doing what you want, suck it up and work at McDonalds, or doing landscaping or something, I work for my money, and I'd like to keep it.

 

I have FOUR children in, or just done with the Public Schools system, so I certianly DO know what it takes to graduate. NCLB ELIMINATED easy graduation, as it is all based on test scores, now.

Of course. But, no one sets out to be an addict. What about people who use cannabis? Should their children starve, as well? You said "Drug tests."

A month to get a job? What country are YOU living in? Since when could anyone support a family on McDonalds wage. Hey, my dh and I "work" for our money, too. (Both are not only HS graduates, but I have a couple of Master's Degrees lying around.)But I can see beyond the tip of my own nose, and know that not evey one is as lucky as I am. Streamlight you say

You want womyn having babies they can't support, and knew they couldn't take care of and now YOU want NOTHING to do with them once they are born. Hell, let the babies you "saved" starve, since they aren't fetuses anymore. What hippocracy. Why don't you SUPPORT all those fetuses you are saving? Hmmmmm? (Typical head in the sand Conservative thinking, MAKE womyn have children they can't afford, and then deny them any help in taking care of them. Typical.)

 

Well that's up to the parents now isn't it? And except for severe fucked up in the head type people, there's no excuse to drop out, it's ridiculously easy to graduate if you actually bother to.

 

That No Child Left Behind Act MAKES people drop out.
School doesn't educate people anymore- it's utterly useless for people who actually want to learn.
And I've never known a dropout who had any inclination to turn to welfare, anyway-
even if they can't find a job.
(And a month to do so is utter crap- if there were any out there, there wouldn't be anybody on welfare in the first place!)