New Bin Laden Tape Released.

A transcript of the tape hasn't yet been provided, but he accuses of Pres. Bush of misleading the American public since 2001, also of being out of contact for 2 hours while reading to the school kids during the attack.

I have noticed these are the two of the critisisms of both Sen. Kerry and Micheal Moore's Farenheit 9/11. Will this additional voice damage Sen. Kerry, help Pres. Bush, or do nothing?

 

Most likely a good CIA look alike taking the opportunity to make allusion to Moore's work.

I can see the headlines now, FOX NEWS UPDATE: Bin Laden admits a link to Michael Moore! lol.

 

He looked tanned, rested, and in good health. His clothes appeared clean and in good order. The setting, again, appears, to be a studio setting. My guess, for what its worth (not very much), is he has been recuperating in Iran.

But if he was a CIA operative, then most likely the taping took place in Boca Raton. Civic duty mandates everyone is to vote in next weeks election...at least once.

 

Why would this help Bush or hurt Kerry (same thing right?). It's just another example of everyone but the average American knowing how badly we've been mislead by our administration.

 

This definitely seems suspicious. Let's examine what we already know about this tape:

1. This is the first video of Bin Laden in over a year. He (or someone claiming to be him) has produced audio tapes, but no video. My theory is that he's either dead or he's so incapacitated that his mere image on video would be demoralizing. Why did he suddenly decide to do a VIDEO the week before the election? Wouldn't the audio tapes he's been fond of over the past year have done just as well?

2. He criticized Bush for reading to school children? Please. That seems extremely petty coming from someone who believes America is the Great Satan.

My guess is it's either a phony, or there's something important about it that the press hasn't told us yet.

 

Assuming the tape is authentic, the biggest mistake Bin Laden made, concerning the only tape, is the timing of its release. It would have been much better to release it Sunday or Monday night. We now have the entire weekend to digest its underlying meaning. Sunday morning the News shows will have time to translate the text and see who would most benefit. Sunday morning editorials now have the time to tell us how his statements fits in, roughly if not entirely properly, in the election.

I don't think Sen. Kerry will get any milage from Bin Laden calling Pres. Bush a liar and feckless (feckless being my word - not Bin Ladens). Bin Laden is arguabley the most dispised person by Americans. As such, he "dissed" Pres. Bush (Sen. Kerry mentioned in passing only because he happens to also be running for President). If such a person don't like Pres. Bush, then Pres. Bush can't be all that bad. Or so goes the logic.

We now have the weekend to determine whether this tape is second best thing of Bin Laden indirectly endorsing Sen. Kerry.

 

On the flip side it may be authentic...and Bin Laden may be trying to explain the reasons why 9-11 happened and that something like it may or will happen again.

How many folks here on the forum actually know why the Twin Towers/Pentagon were hit?

And nobody better think I'm on his side or I'll cut you. I just always try to put myself in the other's shoes...and if you're up on the facts, you may think like me.

 

Personally I'm just a tad curious about what follows "To the U.S. people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another disaster,". ?

 

Bin Laden's litany of "grievances" brings to mind a poignant commentary from Christopher Hitchens immediately following the 9/11 attacks:

It is worse than idle to propose the very trade-offs that may have been lodged somewhere in the closed-off minds of the mass murderers. The people of Gaza live under curfew and humiliation and expropriation. This is notorious. Very well: Does anyone suppose that an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza would have forestalled the slaughter in Manhattan? It would take a moral cretin to suggest anything of the sort; the cadres of the new jihad make it very apparent that their quarrel is with Judaism and secularism on principle, not with (or not just with) Zionism. They regard the Saudi regime not as the extreme authoritarian theocracy that it is, but as something too soft and lenient. The Taliban forces viciously persecute the Shiite minority in Afghanistan. The Muslim fanatics in Indonesia try to extirpate the infidel minorities there; civil society in Algeria is barely breathing after the fundamentalist assault.

Now is as good a time as ever to revisit the history of the Crusades, or the sorry history of partition in Kashmir, or the woes of the Chechens and Kosovars. But the bombers of Manhattan represent fascism with an Islamic face, and there's no point in any euphemism about it. What they abominate about "the West," to put it in a phrase, is not what Western liberals don't like and can't defend about their own system, but what they do like about it and must defend: its emancipated women, its scientific inquiry, its separation of religion from the state. Loose talk about chickens coming home to roost is the moral equivalent of the hateful garbage emitted by Falwell and Robertson, and exhibits about the same intellectual content. Indiscriminate murder is not a judgment, even obliquely, on the victims or their way of life, or ours. Any decent and concerned reader of this magazine could have been on one of those planes, or in one of those buildings--yes, even in the Pentagon.

- http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20011008&s=hitchens

 

Thanks for the link. I couldn't have said it better even if I had the perspicacity to understand things clearly and writing talent to express it.

Al-Jazeera did provide the text to Bin Laden's speech.

- http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

 

If the tape is legit, I'd say that Osama is trying to scare Americans into voting for Bush. Four more years of the Bush administration means four more years of 120,000+ American targets conveniently deployed in Iraq, and the longer this thing gets dragged out, and the more Americans get killed in this futile war, the more likely the American nation will crumble and decline.

 

Plus the more recruits the terrorist groups get.

 

If that Sig Pic is any indication of your political choice, I disagree with you. If your point was that the American People are nothing more than Sheep, I agree with you. Most Americans think, and DO what they tell us to.

 

The Madrid subway bombing indicates just the opposite. See:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/charleskrauthammer/ck20041008.shtml

 

Except Bin Laden's tape is more of a warning.

Why warn?

Why not attack and then take credit?

It seems designed to instill the kind of fear that is already causing the vote-for-safety-vote-for-Bush crowd to swell Bush's ranks.

 

Let's say that a terrorist attack helps gets Kerry elected. (I doubt it, but lets pretend).


How does that help Bin-Laden or any other terrorist?

1.) We're still going to be in Iraq all of Kerry's term.

2.) Kerry has publicly stated he going to do more than Bush in hunting down and killing Bin-Laden.

3.) Anyone thinking Kerry will not use the Patriot Act to it's fullest extent is fooling themselves. Kerry is just as power hungry as any other politician.

4.) Kerry has publicly stated that he wants to expand the powers of homeland security.

Where is the advantage to Bin-Laden if Kerry gets elected?

 

Oh please Huck, relying on a a classic neocon huckster (pun intended) such as Krauthammer - who clearly has zero comprehension that Aznar's party was long destined for the chop for sucking up to the Bush doctrine in opposition to roughly 90% of the spanish electorate's will - is a lame retort.

You certainly are tenaciously clinging to whatever pundit will fuel your flag waving jingoism regardless of how far off the mark it is with the political reality in other nations. I suggest you go to Spain and walk in their shoes and learn from them their reasons for their legitimate exercising of democratic choice in Zapatero over Aznar. It certainly wont be anything akin to the rantings of vitriolic hatemongers like Krauthammer.

 

From the column I cited:

The point, of course, is that the terrorists have no particular interest in Kerry. What they care about is Bush. He could be running against a moose, and Osama and Zarqawi would be for the moose.

How to elect the moose? A second direct attack on the United States would backfire. As 9/11 showed, attacking the American homeland would cause a rallying around the president, whoever he is. America is not Spain. Such an attack would probably result in a Bush landslide.

It is still prudent to be on high alert at home, because it is not wise to bank on the political sophistication of the enemy. The enemy is nonetheless far more likely to understand that the way to bring down Bush is not by attack at home but by debilitating guerrilla war abroad, namely in Iraq. Hence the escalation of bloodshed by Zarqawi and Co. It is not just aimed at intimidating Iraqis and preventing the Iraqi election. It is aimed at demoralizing Americans and affecting the American election.

The Islamists and Baathists in Iraq are conducting their own Tet Offensive with the same objective as the one in 1968: to demoralize the American citizenry, convince it that the war cannot be won, and ultimately encourage it to reject the administration that brought the war upon them and that is the more unequivocal about seeing it through.
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I think so, too, but not according to Kerry.

He has also said that he views terrorism primarly as a law enforcement issue and that he wants to reduce it to a "nuisance" level.

 

I wonder what bush will do with this info.

 

I have been reading the transcript of Bin Laden's speech and have devolped a gut feeling about it. The transcript itself seems short for the advertised 18 minutes. It could be more like an edited version.

It seems he has inserted into the speech at least 5 Democratic talking points.

"I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after the events of September 11, Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real cause and thus the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred."
--How many times has Kerry/Edwards stated that Pres Bush has lied about 9/11?

"So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they renamed it the Patriot Act under the pretences of fighting terrorism."
--Sen. Kerry and the Democratic party has been against the Patriot Act and stated they wish to amend it.

"In addtion, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors and did not forget to import expertise in election fraud from the regions presidents to Floida to made use of in moments of difficulty"
--Again, how often has Sen. Kerry refer to the Florida 2000 vote?

"It never occurred to us that the Commander in Chief of the armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone at a time when they most needed him."
--The Democratic party has mentioned numerous times Pres. Bush was so out of the loop, he was taking time to speak with school kids while the country was under attack. This also suggests incomptetence of Pres. Bush.

"But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occuping himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers we were given three times the period required to execute the operations. All praise is due to Allah."
--Not only is amost the same critisism of the Democratic party, of Pres. Bush's inability to react after the 1st strike, but also the Micheal Moore film 9/11.

I'm not suggesting for a moment the Dems and Sen. Kerry has enlisted the help of Osama bin Laden. Nobody could be that stupid.
I am suggesting OBL has been paying attention to our election process. He has inserted into his "talk to all Americans" the reverberations heard constantly during our election cycle.
By default, I don't think OBL echoing the Democratic talking points could assist Sen. Kerry with his election.