nazism is to fascism, as stalinism is to communism

Discussion in 'Fascism' started by Silverbackman, Apr 16, 2007.

  1. Silverbackman

    Silverbackman Member

    It's funny reading some of the posts of anti-fascists who are also communists, when in fact both principles are based on the same principles of force (using different methods).

    They often use nazism as an example of fascism. While nazism is in some ways a for of fascism, it differs in many other degrees (mainly on the issues of race).

    Stalinism can be considered a form of communism, but it differs with communism in many other degrees (mainly who the state will comprise of).

    So it's foolish for communists to use nazism as an example of fascism if they don't believe stalinism is an example of communism.

    But pure fascism and pure communism are still full of shite though, regardless on whether or not they are nazi or stalinist. Both systems are equally tyranical.
     
  2. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

    That's your opinion, it's my choice to support that communism is bs and can never be achieved and can best be compared to a fantasy novel, but still, it's all opinion.

    Fascism in mine is the most beneficial.
     
  3. nerthus

    nerthus Member

    what do you mean by 'based on the same principles of force'? just wondered...
     
  4. Jack-a-Roe72

    Jack-a-Roe72 Member

    Leninism is closer to the ideal form of Communism. Stalinism.... well... that is a lot closer to the reality of Communism. The reality being, of course, is that a small group of people rise above the other people through manipulation, lies, propaganda, and eventually through force. The reality is that Communism cannot work as long as people are involved because people are greedy sons of bitches if given the opportunity to take advantage of others.
     
  5. nerthus

    nerthus Member

    if the mechanism of the state is built in a way so that no one person can take power (as it should be in communism) dictatorship wouldn't be an issue.

    russia never reached that stage, of ultimate democracy and power spread across the masses, which was the problem.
     
  6. DharmaBum

    DharmaBum Old Guard

    Russia never reached true communism, it came close when the Soviets controlled the means of production but Lenin, the so called champion of communism, destroyed all of that and by extension made himself the single most destructive force against Socialism in the last 100 years.

    Stalinism = Communism? That makes no sense.
     
  7. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

    Communism=Reality makes no sense.
     
  8. DharmaBum

    DharmaBum Old Guard

    We shall differ upon that ;) ..not that i'm a Marxist.
     
  9. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

    Anarcho-Communism is the ultimate ideal, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
     
  10. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

    And Anarchy results in the eventuality of everybody killing themselves with the last remaining survivor going insane because of loneliness.
     
  11. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

    Note I said Anarcho-Communism, look it up.
     
  12. beoworg

    beoworg Member

    yeah, they're both ideologies that promote tyranny. i don't think advocates of democracy (mob rule) are far from being on the same boat.
     
  13. mr.morrison

    mr.morrison Senior Member

    Communism does not support communism. its just that every time a communist economy develops a dictator takes advantage and twists it. Marxism believes that eventually all govt will wither away and the people will be completly equal. only reason this failed in Soviet Union, China, Cuba, etc. is that they did not follow Karl Marx's ideas and it all went to shit.
     
  14. communism is not more then the left form of socialism, where that fashism is the right form.

    Left angle means: the people has to chose what to do (>>revolution)
    Right angle means: the people don't know what they are doing, the leaders need to control them (>>regime)

    But as I already said:
    both are a form of socialism...
     
  15. forrealz

    forrealz Banned

    You want to know about the nazis,ask Bush.That inbreds grandfather started the Bush family fortune by working with the nazi party.
     
  16. Xac

    Xac Visitor

    Why is it when people hear the word Anarchy they immediatley jump to Apocolyptic scenarios?
     
  17. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

    Probably because that's what would happen, i.e. Somalia. If there's no one in power, everyone will fight for power.
     
  18. Xac

    Xac Visitor

    You could be right but i feel it is an emotional reaction, particularly the post i was referering to, i guess different people have different barriers then I. I suppose for others the rule of law is the only thing that stops them behaving in certain ways.

    While i do enjoy history i am not going to pretend i know the conflict in Somalia you are talking about (a date would be a helpful reference!). But like a lot of conflicts (particularly area's like Africa) there is always going to be pre-existing political reason why ANY system could fail.

    I'm not saying that Anarchy is the solution (personally i dont think it really matters what system we use as long as there is suffering, fear, greed and hatred in the hearts of men nothing will ever really change.) but i do find it curious thing that people always picture instant carnage!
     

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