National ID card

In the latest intelligence bill Bush approved, there is a provision that could pave the way for a national identification card. I think this is getting ridiculous. I have nothing to hide, I'm not a criminal, but I'll be damned if I want the gov. following my every move if they so choose. It really makes me sick.
why this shouldn't happen

 

I'll check back and give it a read, but I'm assuming it would be essentially a SS card with a picture on it. yep, big brother doing whatever he can do to keep dibs on all the individuals of the nation - line em' up proper - very lame.

 

and the issues invading our country's freedoms in the name of security grows. how much are we supposed to give up?

 

In germany we have "Personalausweis" that is a identity card, which everyone gets when he's 16, you must carry it with you, and you when you buy overage-stuff you have to show it. It is a country-wide personal identita card.

 

Seriously, the National ID card would be no bigger a threat to your civil rights than a social security card or a driver's license. I mean, Canada has them and they don't exactly have a 'power hungry big brother complex they means to expand' it's just a nice way of keeping track of people.

 

what's the difference between this and the EU's card? between this and our state issued id's? then there the credit cards which are easily tracked. how about those grocery store club cards?

 

sorry about this ... but more than likey if your information does not change.. they won't bother you at all. i know i know... your goverment still loves you, i promise. Just its not realy about you i am afraid.. they have bigger fish to fry , just you all (we all as here in the uk we are having biometric ids as well) have to go along with world wide demand for positive ID varification and nowadays in the 21st century this is what is required ... people got worked up about registering births all that time ago .. claiming infringement of civil liberties ? we would not realy complain about that now , would we ?.

 

EVERYTHING you do can be tracked if someone wants to...toll tags can locate your car by satellite, customer value cards track your purchases at cash registers, credit cards track your purchases, insurance companies track your health care, banks and credit bureaus track your finances, library cards track your reading, etc, etc, etc. The government doesn't have the manpower (now) to track much of anything without good reason, but the private sectore does, and they do...

 

Sad thing is, most people don't even know about this.

What they are going to do is, within 2 years issue identical drivers licenses. What I mean is that every state will have the same-looking licenses. This is how they are going to push it.

 

From the artivle

this is my bggest concern about the system

 

Yep. It's perfectlly harmless though, right? Just like our social security number was supposed to be.

 

i just can't see the big problem with this. other countries have these, like canada, as someone mentioned. we already have passports. we have driver's liscences and social security numbers. and i'm quite sure that if the american government wanted to know where i was, they could damn sure find me, and likely find out the kind of toothpaste i use. unless the american government morphs into the stasi, i think there are bigger issues to worry about than the national id card.

 

Yeah I don't really care about a card. Now they day they try to implant this shit into me is when I'll be fightin....I just don't like that idea at all.

 

That's what they're trying to do in Mexico.

 

yes -- have done for certain people -- in mexico. This is the direction the world governments are taking...

I agree. The only issue I have is that this will help automate that task, thus making it easier to track everything on everyone. All your data will be there, in a huge relational database. Our government already knows a ridiculous amount about you, such as what kind of food you order when traveling internationally.

SO there you are, with all your info in this huge relational database. All they need is your name and can instantly query up more information than you can even remember about yourself.

Not only that, but I've also read somewhere that new ID cards or licenses will also have RFID chips in them.

RFID = Radio Frequency Identification. Each chip emits a unique frequency (like a radio frequency SSN). Then the police or government or whoever does not even need to ask you to see your id. They can be sitting around a corner, or outside a building or your house and just scan the area for all RFID frequencies, thus cross referencing your RFID signal immediately with a government wide relational database, instantly pulling up everything from your DOB and SSN to the last book you purchased at Barnes and Noble.

 

U.S.A. Company by the name of Matrics to specialize in RFID:
(From the Washington Biz Journal)
http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2002/01/14/story3.html

"For more than two years, a team of former National Security Agency scientists has eschewed the Internet boom in favor of a simpler task: building a better radio frequency identification chip known as RFID."

"Now the company, Matrics, is ready to launch, and it's doing so with a $14 million investment from venture capital firms Novak Biddle Venture Partners, The Carlyle Group, Polaris Venture Partners and Venturehouse Group."

The Carlyle Group? You don't say???? hmmmmm . . . .

Carlyle Group Subsidiary Named "MATRICS" is Brimming with NSA and CIA Operatives and pushing a Swastika-Shaped Tracker Chip
http://www.infowars.com/print/bb/carlylematrics.htm


This from Matrics website:
http://www.matrics.com/

"Matrics was founded in July 1999 by Dr. William Bandy and Michael Arneson. Bill and Mike had worked for decades as scientists at the National Security Agency (NSA) developing cutting-edge wireless computing technologies. Based in a quiet suburb of Washington DC, Matrics was created with a vision to revolutionize the logistics and supply chain processes by deploying breakthrough RFID systems. Today, as Matrics is delivering customer success in pursuit of their vision, Bill and Mike continue to serve the company enthusiastically as Chief Scientist and Chief Technology Officer, respectively."


The Bush Family and The Carlyle Group:
http://www.bushnews.com/bushcarlyle.htm

The Carlyle Group is also a who's-who of political operatives: "Like Park Strategies, Carlyle also markets its familiarity with government officials--among its partners are former secretary of state James A. Baker III, former defense secretary Frank C. Carlucci and former White House budget chief Richard Darman. The Carlyle Asian investment fund that received the $50 million sum from Connecticut also retains former president Bush as a top adviser, and Carlyle's European fund retains former British prime minister John Major. Both men have made hundreds of thousands of dollars counseling Carlyle on where to invest its money overseas, introducing Carlyle executives to foreign leaders and giving speeches at Carlyle gatherings. Bush's fees from Carlyle are poured into his accounts in various Carlyle funds, which lately have yielded up to 40 percent a year in returns."

RFID in license plates in UK:
http://www.rfidnews.org/news/2004/06/10/rfidenabled-license-plates-to-identify-uk-vehicles/

 

boy,

way to kill a thread eh?

 

it was xmas day..

 

is it just me or does anyone else find it REMOTELY strange that a company named "matrics" which is linked to the Bush family's Carlyle Group, is making Radio Frequency Identification Chips that resemble a nazi swastika and they want to impliment this technology in National ID cards . . .

just creeps me out.

anyways, i hate to be the thread killer and its been plenty of time after xmas -- so what do you guys think about all that?

 

It is a bad idea from the word go. It won't stop the bad guys they can just hack into the databases and keep their records clean. Hackers (that were doing it as a hobby) during the 80's and 90's was able to gain access to most EVERY top secret server including those of top secret weapons programs and mission critical equipment needed for the US military infrastructure.

Thus like a said bad guys can keep their records clean so the Nation ID will be to their advantage since the officer will trust their computer when the data base says their clean and also trust it when their computer says you are a terrorist even though it only says that because a hacker thought it would be a laugh.