My theory of god.

firstly i have many theorys on god, the universe, other universes, time travel and all that but this theory is an interesting one (although not my favorite)
Maybe god is infinite knowledge. Like, if you knew every single thing in the universe such as what every atom was doing at every single moment and how to manipulate those atoms to form objects and life then maybe that's what god is. And if you knew everything then you would have the power to create a universe..because you would know how to. Also, if god knew everything then he would know what we would want out of an afterlife so possibly there is a heaven?

what do you think of this theory?
peace

 

I think it doesn't belong on an atheism/agnosticism board.

But seriously ...

I'll say first off that I don't agree with it ... it seems illogical.

Have you ever heard of LaPlace's Demon? It is a theoretical demon that knows every position of every atom, and every magnitude of every force, and such, in the universe, and thusly can predict all future events and explain all past events.

The problem with your theory is, if there is a YOU that CAN know every single thing in the universe, that "you" would be God, not the knowledge that you have. What we call "knowledge" is not an object, or a volition, or a spirit, or anything; it's a comparison of circumstances from a specific point of view. Knowledge isn't exactly something that is physically manifested without some being, ego, or perception to manifest it.

Basically, you're saying "God is infinite knowledge" (ref. "Maybe god is infinite knowledge) and then turning around and saying "If you had God (infinite knowledge) you could create the universe." (ref. "And if you knew everything then you would have the power to create a universe..because you would know how to.")

That doesn't make much sense.

Perhaps I'm not understanding your meaning ... would you rephrase your theory?

 

I think its tired and cliche. I believe in many gods, none of which
have or are infinite knowledge.

Creation, is one thing, its the unknowable, and can be called "god"
but gods themselves, everyone you can name, including the desert god,
are tribal heroes, or ancestors, or nature spirits or functions.

Nothing more.

 

hikaru......i actually agree with what you say after reading your post.........what you said about knowledge not being able to exist without a physical being obtaining it makes sense. dude i'd like to ad you to my buddy list if it's ok with you, you seem like someone who i could learn from.

peace

 

Belief and theories are over-rated my friends.

Here is the truth.

We are all one consciousness, beyond time and space, yet caught within time and space in a variety of forms in a variety of universes, and there are a variety of planes of reaity. There is no seperation between the creator and the creation. It is all consciousness

All of this is US, it is ONE, is it the "I" we all share... it jas chosen to go into your form and live out your life within space and time, but look within and you will find yourself.

It knows all, sees all, is all... It's spoken to me before, it's a fact like gravity!

There is no seperation.


All the religions are pointing towards this truth, that is beyond these words and conceptions as your merge into it. Yet these conceptions are accurate descriptions of it, just like saying an apple will fall to earth when you drop it is accurate, no different.

There are many realized being and mystics on the path of experiencing this truth.

I am a beginner in knowing this, I'll call it God. Yet at least I know. I'm am no believer, I am a knower, a mystic seer... I paid the price of admission.

"Magic Theature.

For Madmen only.

Price of Admission, your mind!"
-From Remember Be Here Now and Steppenwolfe

This is the way it is.

And science?

Science fits perfectly into this, Quantum mechanics proves that consciousness is it all, and it is one.

Check out...

The Self Aware Univere and the Physics of the Soul by Amit Goswami if you need scientific proof.

And on it goes.

Leading to this moment,

right here and to who you are, to who I am.

You must BE before you SEE, it is kindergarten...

"The ABC's we all must face, just to keep a little grace" - Grateful Dead

There is no escape,

 

Sure, be my guest. =) We are all students and all have much to learn.

The words of Socrates, paraphrased:

Those who claim knowledge, know nothing.

I won't even read the rest of your post, sorry. If you want to pass it off as truth definitively, I don't think it's even worth reading.

 

Positing the existence of God is superfluous. God is merely a mental construct created by humans to deal with a complex, incomprehensible world. Why does a God (or two, three, or more) have to figure into the equation?

How do we know exactly how many gods there are? Why is God necessary?

Scientists have made great progress in expanding human knowledge in recent centuries, and this progress was aided by separating science from religion. Religion has hindered rather than aided the advance of scientific knowledge.

Modern science points to matter as the foundation for the universe. Our thought processes are the result of minute, complicated, even subatomic movements within our neurological makeup.

Intelligence comes from our brain development through evolution, a result over many thousands of years of natural selection in a challenging environment. There is no need to place God in this picture. We only do it because we have evolved to believe in God, because we find it soothing.

 

By dismissing someone with this quote, it is implied that you possess knowledge (or think you do), otherwise it would not be possible to know if he were wrong or right.

 

I agree with most of your post. I'd like to add that "science" in your sense of the word is becoming a "god" in the original posters sense of the word. Science is also a crutch used by a fearful mind as a soothing agent. Knowledge is relative and all knowledge of "matter" "beings" or "self awareness" are BIASED because you come to know that knowledge THROUGH the senses. The senses are a well known deceiver and can not be trusted. Life is a headless blunder, random accrual of BULLSHIT giving the appearance of "operating under principles" but its all just appearance. Science is the new religion. Its all bullshit people. Even quantum theory, which in my opinion provides the most compelling scientific view of the world, lends toward the idea that matter isn't matter. Matter is a logical possibility with a mental tendency to reoccur often enough to give an appearance of stability.

 

I am not calling him wrong, nor am I claiming to be right.

I am saying that, because he's passing off what he says as truth, I don't think it's worth reading.

This observation is based on experience. More times than not, when someone says "this is the truth" they have been both dogmatic and wrong.

Dogmatism is not something I will read.

But you have a worthy point ...

You also, by retorting to what I have said, have implied that you have some knowledge and that what you say is true. But, you didn't try to pass it off as truth. You only stated observations: That something may have been implied. You never said anything along the lines of "that's not true."

All three of us have knowledge. Knowledge is primarily observations obtained through comparing and contrasting events. However, he passes off his knowledge as truth, which is something that neither of us have done. Hence, the quote still applies.

Why pay attention to someone who doesn't acknowledge that they might not be correct? It's like paying attention to someone who insists that the world is flat (or round, or square), and that it is the truth.

 

What?!? God?? *rofl*

 

hey buddy, good to see you around....Go to the Big Floods thread, i would like to introduce you to Erasmus.

 

Those that speak do not know those that know do not speak.

That taoist saying should help you see that it's not in my words man. It is in between the words.... yet words offend people. Somebody hears truth, and they might be like, fuck, I've heard that before from the mouth of fundementalists, but shit, just because you heard a 1,000 people that claim truth and don't know, doesn't mean number 1001 won't know truth.

Now I am beginner thus not very convincing, and I mostly do these posts for the pure joy of it.

When somebody tells me they are presenting the truth, I want to listen. I want to hear what they have to say, because I feel that as human beings we can know truth.

I have been a seeker of truth, now I am a knower of truth... but as my teacher ram dass says, "When you get out in the world, people say this isn't true, and you can lose it a little."

Which is why many mystic knowers of truth surround themselves with simular minded people, and do satsang, which is speaking about the truth.

The truth is very simple, the law of one, all is one, one is all. And it is consciousness... This is the beginning of knowledge of truth, for the infinite complexities of knowledge are only revealed in thier true light through the filter of the law of one and only understood in the light of that concept.
Thus the details of the one truth can be revealed.

If you bothered to read my post before judging it simply because it happens to be claimed true, you would see it's not dogmatic, but whatever. I'm not bothered, some people just aren't ready for the truth. And I disagree with Socrates, they guy was good at spinning circles around people, but not at revealing truth.

 

Everything is boring to you TV brainwashed zombies that only believe in your own egos and the grossest fucking plane of reality...


And you don't even know it, you just believe it, God how horriblly beautiful.

But I still don't buy it... You are a total fake, a TOTAL PHONY.

You are just God pretending to be a zombie bored with the truth...


Of course you heard all this before... we mystics have been saying it over and over again, because we want you in the magic theature, the funny part is, YOU, not who you think you are, but YOU are already here.

I'm not trying to make you join, it's up to you, You have the key to the door within... on the door it reads.

"The Magic Theature.

For Madmen only,

Price of Admission your mind."

You got to be willing to pay the price, you obviously are not, yet YOU are.

No offense of course, I'm just being silly here.

God evolve already you are slowing the rest of us down. I hope you never have kids and mess up thier minds with your sloppy stinkey bullshit that you call reasonable thought.

 

Wow was that sad and out of line. Way to throw a fit and lash out at the world just because somebody put your "mysticism" in the LIGHT and showed it to be "mysticism". Will the father, son, and holy ghost back you up

I'm mature enough to not tell people what truth is. Take that as advice, YOU need it.

koopa

P.S. I don't watch TV chump

 

You are incredibly full of contradictions, friend.

You say "those that speak do not know" immediately after saying "this is the truth" and proceeding to speak that you know.

And I think it's even more hilarious to hear you say THAT, after saying the above.

Could you be any more self-contradictory if I gave you some kind of paradoxical device?

I did not call your post dogmatic, I called you dogmatic, for saying "this is the truth."

If you weren't dogmatic, you might have said "this is the truth as I see it" or "this is what I have found to be truth." But simply saying "this is the universal truth" is incredibly arrogant, obnoxious, conceited, and dogmatic. To be honest, I don't WANT to read a post from someone like that.

Well, I'm done. You clearly have nothing mature to say. Goodbye.

 

OF COURSE I AM FULL OF Contradictions...

I was being ZEN, Come on silly head, be zen it's fun, it more real then your so called logc... I understand logic... its useful for putting gas in the car and making money to feed your kids, but not for discovering truth.

The mystical path cannot be grasped by the rational mind, even though it is conclusively proved by quantum mechanics.

This is the demise of material realism...


any way, since you are incapable of taking a cosmic joke, and has no sense of cosmic humor... except that which is buried deep down, it's there, everybody got the cosmic joke... anway.

I'll let somebody else speak for me. Amit Goswami, author of physics of the soul, self aware universe... and others.

"the intergration of science and mysticism should not be too disconcerting. After all, they share an important simularity; both grew out of empirical data interpreted in the light of theoretical explanatory pricibles. In science, theory serves both as explanation of data and as the instrument of prediction and guidance for future experiments."

"...the coinciousness in the subject in a subject object epxerience is the same consciousness that is the ground of all being. Therefore, consciousness is unitive. There is only one subject-consciousness, and we are that consciousness. "Thou art that!" say the Hindu holy books..."

The observer is needed for objects to fall into place. In materialism this is a paradox, and materialist scientists which accept the experiments, math and theories that Goswami's discusses in detail in his book... they won't accept his conclusions about consciousness being it all, and matter being secondary, yet still objects in conciousness, the universe as a big thought kind of deal... even though it brings together all the religions, and shows an essential unity between mysticism and science, and eliminates paradoxes... So fuck it, they are not ready to let go, as you aren't... so hold on to your mayic conclusion that matter is supreme... you will not seduce me off the path my friend.

These conclusions come from quantum mechanics and mysticism as I have explained before.


There is no escaping it really, no matter what you materailists say.

 

ok, with all of this talk about science here's something to think about..

science can only prove things to an extent. it can't (for sure) prove that god doesn't exist. How could our universe come into existence without there being anything. Nothing cannot create something. Think about it.
One last point, my original post was in no way preaching the existence of god, i consider myself a spiritual person and i was merely sharing ideas as i'm open to many peoples beleifs!
peace

 

Hey GanjaPrince,


Funny to see you all of a sudden claiming you were joking now that people have called you on your bullshit......HOW CONVENIENT!

Telling people what reality as a whole is, isn't my idea of a joke pal. You are my idea of a joke.

Funny to see you all of a sudden quoting things you read now that it is clear that your half assed interpretation and regurgitation of what you read turned into bullshit.

I reject science and mysticism on grounds that all empirical evidence is BIASED because of subjective differences. Since you are so well read, you should recognize the term "qualia". Care to refute?


Hey Peaceful Son,

One "scientific" answer to your question would be that there is no god or creative / controlling / willfull force behind it all. What you have to pay attention to to grasp this stance is that consciousness could simply be viewed as a form of energy, or better yet energy in a constant state of flux. Hence, forms come into perception, are altered, and go out of perception. It is the energy fueling these forms that is real and actually exists. But unlike the forms, the energy is never created nor destroyed. "Energy can never be created nor destroyed, it can merely be changed in form" is a central tenant in modern science. The energy exists eternally so therefore it does not require a creator.

Of course I personally reject science, religion, and empirical evidence so I do not subscribe to this view either. I just figured I'd illustrate another way to see the world scientifically WITHOUT MYSTICISM OR RELIGION (creator free that is)

koopa