my perennial message to the war mongers of hippyland

hi peeps, you know who you are

look we could go into a long involved spiel about iraq and wmds and how the war was justified and how america should continue killing people in iraq but we won't.

if you think the war is justified and so necessary why won't you join the army and go to iraq to reinforce and justify your beliefs instead of letting someone else get killed or horribly maimed. thank god you think this war is righteous. why won't you go to it?

we need to get this dirty little conversation out in the open

 

1. Who the fuck do you think you are ?. I'll answer you so then you can shut the fuck up about this and not mention this again when/if we ever happen to bump into each other here.

2. I'm not a warmonger.

3. I have thought about 'joining up' many times pre and post 'Iraq'.

4. I have every right to have a opinion. With out the compulsion to 'reinforce and justify'.

5. I have a choice to join up or not [maybe that should be No. 1 ?]. It is called free will. I'm sure you have heard about that.

6. Get a grip.

 

Since I have been labeled a warmonger by you more times that I've said I am against the Iraq War, I feel obligated to respond. However, I have already addressed your issue in another post. So to save time.....

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213444&page=4&pp=10

 

1 doesnt need to SUPPORT the war for you to tell them to "go to it" 1 only needs to SUPPORT the troop's...IMHO i think you have done more for recruitment of troops more than anything else. So in short "we" should DIE for what we believe in, while YOU only have to DYE your hair for what you believe in. On more than 1 occasion you have stated Bush needs to be dragged to the Hague in chains, ARE THERE NO HARDWARE STORES IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD????

 

The real problem with this question is who is asking it? Troops in Iraq? Are they all complaining about the war supporters not joining up? No, they aren't, and I'll bet they're a lot more pissed off about people saying that they are dropouts over there killing babies for oil. Its a volunteer army in a democracy. They volunteer, and we are free to have opinions. What's the problem with that?

 

The same person who wishes the Soviet Union was still around "to put the USA back in its box".

 

If I say " I admire the Canadian National Health Care Sys" and

the response is: Why don't you move there.

OR:
" I think that universal literacy on The Island of Cuba is admirable
and the response is: Why don't you move there.


That response is un-intelectual and nasty.

Same with your oft repeated flaming on this thread.

 

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-45,GGLG:en&q=define%3aWarmongers

 

For a little support, I agree with you totally. If you support the war then you should join the army.

Personally I do not support the war. I do however support the troops and have thought about joining the marines several times (in fact the thought of either that or trying to join a SWAT unit crosses my mind almost every day), and probablly will after college and graduate school, and after my parents are gone (they would die if I joined), if I still feel the same way.

 

ah bonjour peeps i figured you come round and see me

you'll notice that the rest of the google definition is this....

By etymology a warmonger is literally a seller of war, from monger used as a transitive verb, meaning a peddler.

do you think you peddle war, i've already said i'm against the iraq war ,are you against it i'd love to know. i need some concrete evidence that you aren't a warmonger.

PINEY:

If I say " I admire the Canadian National Health Care Sys" and

the response is: Why don't you move there.

>> there' s a big difference between the canadian health system and america launching all out war on everyone who it disagrees with, pre emptive strikes, torture and the raft of human rights violations.

OR:
" I think that universal literacy on The Island of Cuba is admirable
and the response is: Why don't you move there.

>>again theres a big difference the educational system of cuba and all out global warfare as instigated by our friends the americans. "why don't you move there?" well geez thats not a bad question why shouldn't i, just to see what its all about?? no harm in learning something versus killing millions of people. see this is the fallacy of your argument the iraq war and cuba are apples and pears you can't compare them.


That response is un-intelectual and nasty.

>> not at all old chap its a valid question i will keep asking

Same with your oft repeated flaming on this thread.

>> old habits die hard

ah CADCRUZER....

what can i say at least you've done some homework

but there is a problem...

"1 doesnt need to SUPPORT the war for you to tell them to "go to it" 1 only needs to SUPPORT the troop's...IMHO i think you have done more for recruitment of troops more than anything else. So in short "we" should DIE for what we believe in, while YOU only have to DYE your hair for what you believe in. On more than 1 occasion you have stated Bush needs to be dragged to the Hague in chains, ARE THERE NO HARDWARE STORES IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD????"

>>have i done very much for the recruitment process of the army etc?? not really , are you joining up or the other characters on this thread. dying? well you're prepared to die for what you believe in (or don't as the case may be), if were as good as you claim then surely you'd be up and at em.

>>MBWORKRELATED:
1: you are way too angry
2: well you could have fooled me
3: well theres no time like the present, the army is looking for people like you to join them in their fight against whoever , whenever. i hope you won't and go and disappoint me and find some excuse why you won't join up
4: of course you do but in the same token so do i and it is my opinon that hurts alot of ideologies
5: i love free will
6: i always try to have a grip

PEPIK:
"The real problem with this question is who is asking it? Troops in Iraq? Are they all complaining about the war supporters not joining up? No, they aren't, and I'll bet they're a lot more pissed off about people saying that they are dropouts over there killing babies for oil. Its a volunteer army in a democracy. They volunteer, and we are free to have opinions. What's the problem with that? "

>>theres no problem with that, all i'm saying is if you think this war is righteous then go to it, your actions alone expose your real feelings about the war. by the way - have the americans being killing alot of babies? i fear they have, theres been lots of pictures and complaints and the like. i bet the troops were pretty pissed off when all the torture pics and trophy kill pics started circulating. instead of arguing with bumpkins like me about the war i'm surprised you aren't over in iraq, if you spent as much time arguing with me on actually getting things "done" no doubt you could single handedly sort out the iraqis by christmas or some other unspecified date not yet released by the whitehouse.

 

bud toker have you considered something like the coast guard, volunteer coast guard?

 

Well there are reasons I am not going to do that: 1. I am definetly going to college and possibly graduate school before I join anything of the sort 2. My parents would still die, and probablly kill me, as they also do not want me to be in law enforcement or any job that can possibly ever put me in harms way (they always say, "let someone else do that") 3. If I was going to join something I would much rather join the military or become a policman and try to work my way up to SWAT.

I am an EMT, part of the emergency response system, so I like to think I am doing a job that is of equal importance (a different importance) as a police officer, and I work closely with law enforcement.

 

It depends who i am talking to.

''warmonger is, pejoratively, someone who is anxious to encourage a people or nation to go to war .''

I'm not anxious to encourage a people or nation to go to war . That it seems would be YOU [hurding people off to war]. Not fair ?. Probably not. I think we are not in 'fair' territory here in this thread so i think i can get away with it.

If you are apposed to 'War' that is fine. If you are not apposed to 'War' but only this particular conflict. Then hurding all those that do support this war is a little wrong.

We just are not on the same page. I don't go and ask you to go to Iraq with your placards saying ''If you agree with this war go join up''. How stupid is that ?.

There are many many Iraqis living in other parts of the world who support the removal of Saddam and what the coallition are doing. Would you be so eager to ask them to go 'join up'. I doubt it. I imagine you have some get out clause for that one ?. I respect their opinions way above yours.

You have a incorrect premise to your way of thinking about what i think.
You think I think war is the only solution. This is simply not true.
If diplomacy with out a war would have been possible I'd be all for that.

On this occassion it went way past diplomacy.

International resolutions include WAR. You can go to the UN and ask them not to continue with that. Infact why do you NOT. There you go, go piss off to the UN and ask them to stop using war as a 'final solution'.

I'd imagine because you feel war [as a concept] is wrong then you must find illigitimacys with this conflict ?.
One reason why you should 'get a grip' is because like i say we are just not on the same page as far as global resolutions go. I don't preclude war from my 'ideology' [as you put it]. I DO NOT encourage a people or nation to go to war neither am i anxious for this to occur 'whenever with whoever'.

No need to take the idiocy of war out on me and the few others here.

I'll repeat ''Who the fuck do you think you are'' ?. You do not hurt my ideology. Shit, you hardly understand it, it seems.

Well why do you refuse to let me exercise mine ?.

Sometimes it seems, you fail.

I hope this gives you a little bit more clarity to what I think.
Now I think you should re-read No. 1. from my first post. Paying attention to the second part. Cheers.

 

SO:

Guy

If you say: I support increased funding for poverty programs.

and I say: Well, cash-out your IRA, sell your house and donate everything
to the poor.

Is that a legitimate intelectual response ?

 

I don't think we should give guy any more oxygen to his way of pigeon holing people and the way he thinks people think.

Stick a fork in him and this thread and be done with it.

Or ofcourse exersice your free will *giggle*.

 

Just stands to reason if you think so much of Bushy and his oil grab...you'd join right in there and fight for what you believe..to do otherwise would make you a chicken hawk. The argument that if you like Cuba..then move there, ect doesn't apply to this argument. We're talking about supporting lies that's killing innocent people and our troops..if you think it's so cool then join and kill yourself. but don't sideline and lie it up and watch people die. Only a sick bastard or a war criminal (like Bush and Chenney) would do that. Have ya ever noticed..it's the people who never served who enjoy and encourage war?

 

I don't think you will find any person here who ''enjoy and encourage'' war. If you think that you need to have a nap and then learn to read properly.

The rest of your post would send us all back about 3 years.

 

mbworkrelated

Hmmm..then why would people support the lies that caused war? Maybe I forgot to add people who profit from war.

 

mbworkrelated

bravo, bravo this is the most detailed reason why you won't join up and fight for something you supposedly believe in.

piney

i do help the poor, i bought some deserving soul some very reasonable shoes about three weeks because i know they don't have much money. i put my money where my mouth is, if i believe in something i do something about it, nice try to besmirch me though. i did want to get this dirty little conversation out in the opem though didn't i.

 

You are either thick or just never happy with not hearing what you wish.

On my ignore list you go. Bye.