First off i wana start off , im just a dumb stupid child please...dont flame me lol. I kinda had this thought that Drugs like Salvia where ment so you can experent a little bit of "gods" life. I dont know what religion i belive in , i was born a jew. Usally i always wonder why are we here , i kinda thought of my own theorys - like that we humans are just vessels , that move from dimension to dimension threw death. Im going to be trying Salvia soon hopefully it might guide me. Umm i never debated with people about religion. Im just trying to figure out exactly what is "god" , is it a chemical ... a being.... a univerce.... is the world "god" Or is it just somthing humans made up over the years so that people would belive in morals and obey laws. Am i crazzieeee??? or WHAT?!?! hahaha i guess ill never know till i die heh?
Some Jews say there is room in the Jewish community for people who experiment with entheogens. Take this article for example: http://www.rzlp.org/index.cfm?objectid=FCF77867-D612-00A6-AD35666A6077AFAC For me, it's not a matter of figuring out what God is. I think claiming to know Truth is somewhat idolatrous anyway. At the same time, I find it useful to work within a primary paradigm of relating to God, even if, from moment to moment, others will prove more helpful. So while I usually think in terms of pan/panentheism, as a moment demands it I might relate to God as Father, as Mother, as Lover, as Godfield, or whatever other God-interface my mind suggests to me. This, of course, is not to suggest that God is any of the things I say God is. These interfaces are rather for my benefit. I can't deal with a philosopher's God. I need something visceral. And if there is no God, you will not know when you die.
I once read an essay trying to prove that the manna was actually "magic" mushrooms. It showed up in the mornings with the dew, and turned to mush so they couldn't be stored. Just a thought. I see god as being the universe itself. All that exists. Basically the idea is pantheism. It means everything that is material is also spiritual. It also means I am god (at least part of god, as I'm part of the universe). We aren't seperate from god, we are god! But of course, so is the dust under your bed...so don't get too cocky
Yea if you wanna get close to God, eat some psycolibin mushrooms. The family of mushrooms called Straphoria Cubensis, which all contain psylocibin, are said not to have evolved on Earth. Supposedly coming on asteroids millenia's ago and ingested ancient forms of man. Could this be a catalyst for mental evolution? I beleive so. These mushrooms are literally seeds of god. They are impervious to the UV rays of space, which is why they are purple, and the spore casing can withstand ridiculous heat and pressure. As far as God goes, don't let your mind try and find God, God will find you when the time is right, you just have to notice the signs when they're presented. Everything is connected in this fabric of life, from religion, to politics, to drugs. All is one and one is all. You are your temple, God is in all of us, he just hasn't been found in a couple thousand years, maybe because of the Western view of psychadelics and its negative impact (bullshit).
I've never gone in for using drugs in spiritual pursuits, it just seems kind of ... cheating. Anyone can get off their face on whatever, and have a 'vision'; but it takes real time and effort to come to these understandings on your own, without any tools but your own thoughts. Oh and talking to the Gods yourself (they don't bite) to build a relationship. Truth of these matters is subjective, so you're just going to have to find your own right answers. More satisfying that way.
Here is the thing , i think "life" is like a house , WE have millions of doors each to another room dimension (eg. Heaven ) By just living we have all the doors slightly open but when we expland our mind and take drugs , psycadelics ect. We can open the doors more and maybe experence somthing you might not normaly experence... hmm?
You're really on a roll there, Pmeth. You've got some beautiful thoughts. Well, keep grouvin' to 'em, I guess. We've all got to find out the answers to our questions someday~
Pmeth, You are way ahead of where I was when I was your age dude, I´m impressed. I believe there is great power in psychedelics to expand the spiritual consciousness, but sometimes there can be too much power in them, (i.e. you can become too dependent on them if you don´t have an alternative means to expand your consciousness, or they can show you things you´re not really ready to see yet). The most important thing to me is to make sure that you fully integrate every experience before you take your next one (that is to say, think long and hard about what you saw, what you thought, and what you felt, and how you can apply those lessons into your every day life, how you can get in tune with some of those vibrations without using drugs) this may take days, weeks, months, or years everybody is different. If you can´t integrate your first trip, don´t think you´ll find the answer in your second trip, take it slowly. Accept that this is a long journey, and the fact that the place it takes you at any given time may be radically different from your imagined destination doesn´t mean that is the wrong place for you to be at the time. To use a geographical metaphor, don´t turn back to New York becuase Kansas looks nothing like California, it is a necessary step along your away. For me, rejecting the notion of God I was brought up with and becoming an agnostic was an essential step on my path to finding a notion of God that I connected more deeply with...one step at a time brother, one step at a time. Also, I would recommend starting with something like mushrooms rather than something like Salvia. In my experience with Salvia it is way too easy to get more than you bargained for, especially using extracts. I also find that the salvia trip comes and goes a little to fast for me to really integrate it...but then again, so does life . PM or email me anytime brother (jesse.sternberg@oberlin.edu) I´m always willing to share my ideas with fellow seekers, particularly those younger than I who haven´t been seeking for long. One last peice of advice before I get off my high horse and shut the fuck up: keep the company of those who seek the truth, but avoid those who have found it.
Well the thing is , around here well in the highschool im at anyway its not easy to get mushrooms etc , people in my highschool do pot which is what i smoke too , but no one does mushrooms etc , its more harder to find them so i wanted to start with salvia where i can go to a head shop buy some leaves sit with friends and just do it in the basement and enjoy the effects maybe see somthing enlightening. If you want email me mudslide911@gmail.com
