multiple realities

Does anyone else feel that after having an assortment of psychedelic experiences, one tends to believe more in multiple realities which are just as real as the standard one we find ourselves in? I know that out of several people who have experimented lots with psychedelics, some do believe this while others don't. I don't think I've met very many who haven't experimented with psychedelics and do believe in this. What do you think?

 

Either no one cares for this topic or no one understands what I'm talking about *sigh*

 

i dont think there are multiple realities

reality is whatever YOU choose to make it-- the guy standing on the corner screaming at the trashcans because he thinks they stole his shoes dosent mean hes living in another reality ...the reality that he is seeing is something we will never be able to experince

its like a salvia trip noone can tell you how your exactly going to feel or what your going to see when it hits you your mind explodes and its your imagination making your reality or, your salvia influenced reality in that moment

 

and dont worry poeple are lazy around here

 

So, do you mean this in a metaphorical sense then?

 

I have had quite a few k-hole experiences that had clearly defined boundaries of alternate planes or realities. Lucky for me, I am quite visual and the experiences were quite interesting regarding traditional ideas of "reality". Uber trippy..

 

i took more then 100 hits of lsd once. it was a very interesting experience that seemed to last for days. at one point in the trip i found myself outside in front of a group of dark figures wearing cloaks. they were slightly transparent. they were speaking to me in my mind and whenever i would try to respond vocally they would tell me to focus on them and speak inside my mind so that they could hear me. they said that when i talked out loud they could only see my mouth moving. once i figured out how to speak with them they told me who they were and had many questions about who i was. they were magical beings from what i figure was another dimension or a reality parallel to this one. it is very difficult to describe these things. they were obviously much more evolved beings then i was. they said that my ways were unacceptable to them. they felt sorry for me having to put fossil fuels into my metal machine that moves around on rubber tires. they use magic to fly around on broomsticks.

the group of 'aliens' were far more conscious then anyone i have ever met in this reality. they were very interested in me. i felt like this was the first time they had an experience like this. they took the time to make suggestions as to how i could fix my life. they told me that i was in danger if i was to continue living my life in the way i had been. i was supposed to forget about the girl i was about to marry cuz she is a bad for me and that i should move back to ontario to put a band together.

this trip happened in bc. it is now two years later and i am in ontario. call me crazy if you like - i have heard it all before. i believe they exist and i value the wonderful information they shared with me.

 

i dont think your crazy at all. except for flying on broomsticks with magic, lol.

 

and yes i do beleive in alternate universes, or parallel universes. when i broke through on salvia i saw several slightly different versions of myself and just about everyone i knew.

 

actually now that i think about it, salvia is just like experiencing your own universe along with several others at the same time, maybe thats why its so much of a brain overload.

 

I think I understand what you mean. Everytime I do salvia, it feels like my self is splitting off of me and becoming several different people.

 

reality is exaclty, what you think it is

reality is an enormous koleidescopic network of infinite consciousness subconsiously creating and experiencing itself

divinity lies within, without

it is everywhere, you, we, are everywhere

do you know what i mean...

trust your feelings
be very mindful of your thoughts

 

iv found/ believe there to be one reality, with infinate possible points in which one can observe/expirience this one reality. these points vary in energetic density, level of understanding, thinking patterns, vehicle (species), home (be it town, planet, plane of existence...) ect. infinity.

 

i think the point of this thread is not about what is actually reality, but whether each state of mind is as much a perception of reality as any other. so, being on psychedelics is just as 'real' as being sober. because theyre both just different perspectives on the same thing. the single shared reality.

thats what i think.

 

Flying with broomsticks is a bona-fide flying system, and I remember reading something like that in a very ancient scripture. It did mention witches, but not all witches are bad.

 

The way I see it is psychedelics maybe expand your perception but most likely c hange it instead of expanding. What is more "real" your experience on a trip or your everyday life... I think they are of equal realness. Two sepparate experiences from reality, whatever that is. I think instead of multiple realities there just a really really big one and everyday, every experience is knowing just a little bit more of it.
But sometimes I wonder is what Im experiencing on psychedelics the outside world or a product of my subconcious and if it's a product of my subconcious mind is that "real", is it me knowing more about what surrounds me or is it me knowing more about myself.
I think is both, but the questions remain.

 

I think this is true as well, but I also wonder if what reality ultimately is is something that the very word "reality" is inadequate to capture. I mean, I think that just maybe, human beings can't possibly apprehend what the ultimate reality is unless they think of it in terms of multiple "realities" - that is, each "reality" represents the limits on what we humans can imagine reality to be. For example, suppose there was a drug which, when taken, convinces the subject that 2 + 2 = 5. Anyway he looks at it, he can't get around the "fact" that 2 + 2 = 5. Are we to say, then, that in reality, 2 + 2 = 4 and 2 + 2 = 5 at the same time? Well, maybe we can - maybe reality is such a place in which 2 + 2 can equal 5 even though it still equals 4 at the same time. But as human, we can't conceive of it that way... unless we image two realities - one in which 2 + 2 = 4 and another in which 2 + 2 = 5 - that somehow coexist with each other. I think this would be the only way we humans could model the true nature of reality in such a way that it remains intelligible.

 

Sorry to bring up an old thread, but I find this topic pretty interesting. I think I completely understand what you mean by this "multiple realities" idea. My friends and I have all somewhat talked about it. I think it's easiest to think about by a simple hypothetical concept. What if everything you could imagine was in itself a separate reality? For instance, right now I'm thinking about dinosaurs roaming around eating lawn gnomes and burping up purple daisies (don't ask me why that's what came up, but it did...). Who is to say that isn't a reality somewhere? What if the simple act of thinking of something creates another reality?

Now here's the catch. If another reality is completely separated from our own then there is truly no way in which we would know of its existence. There wouldn't even be the slightest inkling or trace of evidence to point to its existence other than the simple concept. Now, consider what you see under the influence of drugs (especially psychedelics, diliriants, and dissociatives). These things can certainly just be described as just another perception of our reality, but sometimes things really do seem to just pour in from some other reality. In my experience this was most especially true with Salvia. It really just seemed like I wasn't so much imagining things as I was ACTUALLY being taken to another world.

So the question arises: What if using these drugs is simply a means of "tuning in" to these other realities? The possibility for other realities is certainly left open in scientific reasoning. Take a peek at string theory, dark matter, and quantum theory. It's certainly food for thought.

Anyways, it just seemed like the point of the original post was kind of being missed, so I was hoping to help out and shed some light on what he might be talking about. Of course, I might be completely off too, but that's my take on it.

 

Thanks for your comments, Glordag. I think you and I are on the same wavelength.


My general position is that reality is exactly what your perceptions tell you it is - in fact, reality is perception. If that's the case, then it's not long before you come to the conclusion that there must be more than one reality. Your dinosaur example is a good one. There are some experiences that fit well together in one reality - like if you were just thinking of a dinosaur, you could say "well, that's just a thought. I can have thoughts in this reality no matter how bizaar they are." But what if you hallucinated the dinosaur? How would you reconcile that with your knowledge that dinosaurs don't exist anymore? The only way to reconcile it is to split your reality into two - one in which there are no dinosaurs, and one in which there are. And then you can choose which reality you want to live in. If you live in the one with no dinosaurs, then you treat what you experienced as just a hallucination. Otherwise, you treat your previous knowledge that there are no dinosaurs as mistaken.

And I know what you mean about salvia. My experiences with that drug were very much like literally slipping into another reality.

 

Looking at the way you represent yourself in your posts/grammar. I assume you're a pretty smart guy. Then I read you took advice from creatures you met on an LSD trip? Like fuck! Even if these are spirits (I've never really seen 100% proof, but enough to believe in them), who's to say they'll telling the truth.