Moonlighting

Hello,

I know this is complicated, because of the different legal systems we live in and we are not lawyers (they are all on the bottom of the ocean by now, right). Imagine you help your neighbour to fix her sewing machine. She feels so happy about that, so she bakes you a bread. Is that moonlighting? Strictly speaking I think so: there is creation of value and you don't pay taxes for it. Next some friendly fellow repairs your coffee maker, you give him half of the bread. While strolling in the woods you see a beekeeper. He is an old man, so you help him carrying his beehives around. Grateful as he is, he gives you some honey. You see where this goes to. Is that moonlighting? What do you think?

Regards
Gyro

 

I Would Say Most Certainly No, Just Sounds Like A Friendly Neighborhood To Me,

The Type We All Aspire To Live In.......



Cheers Glen.

 

I thought moonlighting was like a regular job in your off hours. Not random things you do every once in a while. If you fixed sewing machines every night in exchange for bead, then yes I would consider that moonlighting, but not if you do something once. You're just describing living and interacting with people imo.

 

Hello,

yepp. But on the other hand, personally I prefer neighbours that I don't hear and don't see. But that's another thread .

Interacting with people? What's that?

Well, I guess only women with cat lady tendencies have sewing machines at home nowadays , there are not enough machines for being occupied for a longer period of time. So the next day you are out fixing a radio or a biclycle or whatever. After some time you realise your neighbourhood is a sub-society based mostly on bartering. Can that be tolerated?

Regards
Gyro

 

I Have Cats And A Sewing Machine, How Dare You Insinuate I Am A Woman You "Insulting Little Wretch"......



Sneers Glen.

 

Hello,

learn something new every day. I could imagine you having a house wife somewhere in a cupboard, but a sewing machine?

Regards
Gyro

 

That is a way of living we should aspire to. No, it doesn't work as a way for us to function fully in the world we have created, but as a society we would be much nicer to each other if this was the norm rather than the exception. We might even get to know our neighbours names.

 

Hello,

it's an utopia, yes. It would only work if it's really big. On a small scale you always need money to 'interface' with the rest of the world. Imagine you need a piece of wire to repair the sewing machine. Although I know, in theory, how to produce wire from a lump of ore, that might or might not be burried somewhere in the neighbouring hills, it would take me several months of hard work and experimenting to get something that resembles wire and might work as a replacement. But first you need more time to build the tools you need to produce wire, and the tools to build the tools...

Regards
Gyro

 

I was thinking of more in the direct neighbourhood. We often give our neighbours some deer or boar meat and they in return help on the smallholding or bring us fresh veg from their garden. Simple stuff that just connects us more as a community. This is/has been lost.

 

Hello,

I live on, or let's say next to, the cemetery. If neighbours would bring me meat, that would be... strange . But yepp, I know what you mean. For many years I lived in a village with less than 20 other people. It was normal that people brought you stuff and you gave back what you had in excess. Nowadays I live in a city and to be honnest, I like that I don't have to see my two or three (living ) neighbours every week.

Regards
Gyro

 

I've done the big city stuff for years. I now yearn for the peace of the countryside.

 

Hello,

I guess you did different things in the city than I do. My current location is not that big, not like Frankfurt or Munich. I like the anonymity of the city. And maybe the infrastructure, albeit I don't use it that much. At my current location (at the northern Black Forest) I like that I can walk for half an hour or so and I'm in the woods.

Regards
Gyro

 

I lived in London for a long time. You're right about using the facilities. When I first moved there was out and about all the time, but after a while I got home from work, showered, ate and couldn't be bothered to go back in to the city. Weekends were about it really.

 

What you describe is my neighbors. They all have large acreage so I don't really see them unless we're exchanging produce. One neighbor keeps the bridges detritus-free with his tractor after floods. Another trades deer meat. Another trades garden things. Another raises pasture-fed cattle and trades that beef. I trade eggs and apples and organic ACV.

None of that is taxable and even if it were... the government can kiss my entire Irish arse.

 

That, I do miss sometimes.

 

well to me that term is neither positive nor negative. its something i think a lot of people are almost forced to do today, with jobs paying less then a living wage. it means taking two jobs, or a second thing of some kind on the side, that doesn't usually mean doing something to be generous, but more having to to get by. working your way through college, the term would actually apply to. applying yourself to learning being your main job there really. no one should be forced to go without sleep in order to be able to learn something. that seems almost self defeating at the undergraduate level.

my dad, when i was starting kindergarten, wasn't paid enough by the railraod in the early 50s, so to have a little extra to be able to do anything, also ran the projectors at the local movie house in truckee, which was also, i think owned by ted nugibar, who also worked for the railroad, and in november and december they would also cut christmas trees. so that's where i heard the term moonlighting and associate it with.

 

sounds more like bartering to me

moonlighting would be like if you had a regular job but used those resources to do other jobs that only benefitted yourself


edit:after looking it up i guess my idea of it isnt exactly right

 

Gooood morning,

yes. I did that step in post #4. From the point of view of the people in the neighbourhood it's bartering, from the point of view of the rest of the state it might be moonlighting. Besides that it is an utopia, I think the state/government will not tolerate a growing part of society that is based on bartering.

Regards
Gyro

 

all I know of moonlighting is bathing in it.....am not sure what bartering has to do with moonlight.......I have wonderful neighbors, and I am happy to do things for them....if I did not like them...an invisible wall would go up, and they would not hear from me much.
I would hermitize myself from them....I am glad it is not the case here.

 

Gyro, you can't fight the moonlight. No, you can't fight it. It's gonna get to your heart.