Does anyone know of any studies done on monkeys with mushrooms or other psychedelics? We always hear about studies with unbelievable quanities on mice or spiders, or some other shiat. What about our close physiological relatives? What about other intellegent animals: dogs, parrots, dolphins, etc. at doses similar to what a human would take on average?
yeah i read on the internet somewhere that this doctor did a test on monkeys with LSD-25, and also on spiders.
i think spiders spin rather unsual webs while under the influence of LSD. i'm not sure if they follow a certain pattern or not.
I do not believe that spiders have the neuroreceptors necessary to generate any response to LSD. An LSD trip is based on mammals' serotonin and dopamine signalling pathways, which spiders almost certainly lack.
That's what I am talking about. These tests done on spiders don't tell us anything about our own experience with these compounds. I have also read that the tests on mice where done with such extremely high doses as to make them irrelevant (approx. 1000x the average dose), and also quite unethical. I want to see tests on either our physiological or psychic relatives with moderate doses in a non-politicized environment.
well, some studies were done on various mammals with LSD back in the 50s & 60s... cats, rabbits, porpoises, maybe chimpanzees or macaques, i dunno... shucks, do a googlesearch: "psychedelic drug experiments primates" or some such...
For what it's worth- when I was in high school, a Friend inadvertently drooped a sheet (100 HITS) of 2-way blotter. When we came back, his cat had a broken neck and it looked like about 10 hits had been chewed on. We figured that the cat had killed itself chasing mice that weren't there!
they did a study where they gave an elephant(bull elephant I think but not sure) a massive dose of LSD and it keeled over and started convulsing, they had to put it down. =(
See, now that's sad. The elephant and the cat; but that's what I am talking about, they always do these tests (cat wasn't exactly a test) with extremely high doses porpotionately. So I did a Google search on the subject and got distracted by Timothy Leary's Prison Project where he and other grad students took psychedelic compounds with prisoners in the 60s. After a significant period, there was only a 10% return rate.
yah im not sure if that was leary who did those tests but ive read about them. they also did tests with alcoholics to see if LSD would help them kick their habits and the results were really good not sure of the numbers but a lot were successful in getting over their alcohol addiction. on a side note leary snuck in a lot of LSD when he was sent to prison.
yes, tim & dick did do psilocybin with the inmates in a prison setting, and the prisoners upon release did have a low recidivism rate... & as regards that unfortunate elephant... it did die of apparent heart failure... the dose of LSD administered to the poor pachyderm was calcualted on the basis of body mass, & not on brain mass (which means that the elephant got way too large a dose); & when the elephant began to show signs of agitiation, the experimenters shot a massive dose of thorazine into the big critter, & shortly thereafter it died... so, let's all blame the lsd & not the thorazine, mmmkay?) (& dr john lilly did the dolphin experiments... he worked out an algorithm for dosage calculation (for lsd, but could prolly be "scaled" to other psychedelic drugs) base on brain mass, body mass, & spinal cord length... & when one of his caged, tripping dolphins apparently suicided, they stopped dosing their animals, and built sharkproof (but accessible to the sea, as the dolphins wished to exit & enter) cages... some of this is recounted in his book _the mind of the dolphin_ i think...)
Okay, I actually found an article about John Lilly (the dolphin guy) on Erowid news, as an obituary, he recently passed away. Not exactly what I had in mind, but a very interesting character nonetheless. Check him out: http://www.erowid.org/culture/characters/lilly_john/lilly_john_obituary2.shtml
