Hi everyone. I basically have three questions. I have read quite a bit that one should start out taking around 100-150 mg of Molly and if you're going to redose later to take another 50 mg or so, but what about starting out with 50mg or maybe even 30mg then redosing at 150mg? I see a lot of people say it's a waste to take a good amount of molly after your roll has already started. But I just wondered if doing it backwards so-to-speak would still have this effect? Someone I know would like to start out low then take a higher amount after she sees how it is going to affect her. Someone that isn't me (female 5'5-130 lbs) has only rolled once on extremely good molly. Her skin turned the prettiest shade of orange and she felt like an exotic animal when she walked across the room to lie down in bed. She couldn't get over how different and weird she felt and how lovely the blankets felt to touch. Her boyfriends eyes were like pools of water, and at one point she kind of freaked out because she couldn't really tell what he looked like anymore because his face seemed blurry and she kept crying that she couldn't see him. She was really fucked up and when she was talking her words tasted so strange and beautiful and fizzily in her mouth. She kept telling her boyfriend how sweet, and beautiful, and nice, and perfect he was and it felt and tasted like divine pleasure to tell him these things, and she said it over and over... She has never experienced anything like that, and as the initial roll began to slow down she felt very energetic and talkative and her thoughts shifted from one thing to the next quite rapidly. Oh, and during the beginning of the onset of the roll, after she settled down from being upset at her boyfriend's blurry face, she made peace with something very traumatic that happened to her, and made peace with herself and mind. She felt truly free from certain things that have hurt her in life, and her mind felt clean and she said she had never felt so naked before (both literally and figuratively). She felt very beautiful and accepted herself and who she was truly for the first time in her life. It was a very peaceful and satisfying experience, and one that she would like to have again. This leads me back to my original question, because her senses were quite overloaded and it hit her very fast. She took a capsule that was seemingly large and half full of molly, but isn't exactly sure how much that is, and doesn't quite want to have the beginning of the roll hit her so hard and overflood her emotions and senses quite as much because it was almost too intense for her. So, if I didn't make myself very clear, my questions are: 1. Does taking 50mg of molly, then following up with 150mg an hour or so later work? 2. Does this person that I've described, sound like what she took was molly? The reason I ask is because her boyfriend had a very different experience than she did: colors weren't bright and vivid, he didn't feel the unique, beautiful feeling of touching and saying things (how different and wonderful they felt) etc etc. Basically, why did they have such different experiences? Oh, and he (6'2 170 lbs) took a full capsule and she (5'5 130 lbs) had half a capsule. 3. How much Molly do you think she took if it was a largish size capsule that was half full? When I say large, I mean seemingly larger than a tylenol capsule. Thank you for reading this and responding if you do.
1. Not as well as starting with a higher dose. With these sort of drugs it's best to start with most or all of what you plan to take. Your body builds a tolerance so the 150 you take later will be more like 75. A total of 200 mg is heavy dose especially for someone new to rolling. If your friend wants a lighter experience she should start with 100, and maybe do a booster of 50 mg a few hours in. women are more sensitive to MDMA then men, their brains are more wired to be emotional and connect then men. 2. MDMA can be trippy for some people particularly in higher doses. But it is also possible there was a bit of MDA or some sort of RC in the molly. It depends on if the dealer cut it. MDA is more of a psychedelic but can also have the emotional aspects of MDMA. But like I mentioned above because she is female it's possible it hit her harder. 3. Hard to know unless you weighed it. Most dealers will make capsules that are around 100 mg, but you are describing a very full one. 100 mg of molly will not look like much when in a capsule,
The vivid description of the visuals makes it sound like she was on LSD. If it was MDMA, it must have been quite a dose. Was the boyfriend on the molly the same time as her? It's possible that because of her extremely powerful and emotional experience, he felt he should remain sober. I have experienced this myself a few times, you wouldn't believe the power of the human mind to snap you into relative sobriety despite the best intentions of a good dose of psychedelics, when the situation calls for it (loved one having difficult/intense experience). It's adrenaline. It's impossible to tell you what those doses are. What was the total length of her experience? ps. don't take 50mg then 150mg, that's a waste, only do it the other way around.
Not as effective, because tolerance develops. So effectively speaking taking it that way would probably work like 100 mgs or less on the redose. You have to sort of weigh your options as what you seek out of the MDMA experience, lower doses don't create quite the sensorial bliss and alteration to the senses that higher doses do. A lower dose probably won't leave you as emotionally vulnerable and open however you can see some of the benefits that can result from being in that state. You can function better on a lower dose which may be important depending on your enviornment but the radical change to the senses and mind expanding qualities of bringing down the emotional walls is what I seek from MDMA, so I think its worth any overwhelming intensity I may experience. That experience sounds like an initial MDMA experience that she had. I take 250 mgs now to achieve similar effects but I've been rolling for awhile. If the bf has rolled before there is a cumulative tolerance effect with MDMA referred to as diminshing returns which some experience even after their first several experiences. Other than that, diet, medications and a variety of factors can lessen or alter the effects. Id guess ~200 mgs based on the doses I've weighed. A standard hit of Ectasy is ~80-120 mgs. Some split doses and its common to double drop (take multiple pills) so there is a fairly wide dosage range.
unfocusedanakin --Thank you for your response. I really appreciate it. Impending Confusion --Thanks! Mr. Writer --You said, "The vivid description of the visuals makes it sound like she was on LSD." She has taken LSD several times in the past and this experience was nothing like doing LSD. The visuals she experienced weren't like tripping. She noticed the light in the room being brighter, her skin color was different, brighter, perhaps being brighter made it look orange as she was pretty tan, the feeling of the blankets felt indescribable to touch...weird and wonderful. The only part during the night that seemed out of focus was when she was crying and her boyfriend's face looked blurry and she could tell the whites of his eyes were contained like pools of water behind his eyelids. She really doesn't know how to explain that part but it wasn't a hallucination like what LSD does. She had horrible comedowns on LSD, and with Molly there was no bad comedown just a feeling of happiness and peace within herself. You also asked, "Was the boyfriend on the molly the same time as her?" She was very unsure about what Molly was, as she had never even heard about it until her boyfriend told her about it, and because of her past experiences with LSD and doing Ecstasy (one time) she wanted to see how he would react before she took hers. He suffered from depression, so she was worried he might freak out. She assumed Molly was like LSD or Ecstasy. So she let him take his first and waited about 30 minutes to an hour before she took hers so she could make sure he was going to be okay. So when he said he just wanted to lay on the bed and chill, she was a little confused because she couldn't understand how it would make someone want to lay down, as her experience with X made her energetic etc. He was very quiet the whole night and very attentive to her in every way. He took care of her and she loved him even more for that. It was very sweet. The total length of their experience is unknown. Neither one of them remember how long or short it was. They have both tried to figure it out, but that initial onset of the roll hit her really hard and could have lasted 10 minutes or a few hours, she doesn't know. But she thinks the total time was somewhere around 4 hours because everything happened so quickly. guerillabedlam --The boyfriend had rolled before. She knows not how many times, but thinks it only a few. He also takes medicine for depression. I think Paxil was what he was taking at the time. She was very healthy at the time; she exercised a lot and ate healthy foods. Her boyfriend was kind of the opposite as far as eating healthy and exercising. Not sure how big a part that plays in one's experience on Molly though.
Paxil blocks the effects of MDMA, mystery solved (MDMA can also be pretty relaxing, and invite lying down)
