Minimum Wage

What do you think of minimum wage? how should it be decided? and who should it be aimed at?

 

The money should be suspended in a giant pinata and then all the minorities can fight over it once it hits their dirt floors.

 

if someone is willing to work for $1 an hour, they should be able to.

i'm not really sure how it should be decided. i know it's too high now. basically the stupid people seem to think that minimum wage should be enough to comfortably support a family, even though a huge chunk of the people who make minimum wage are high school or college kids who have their bills paid anyway and are just driving their employers out of business by taking more money than the employers can afford to pay them.

 

^ Wow.
That's pretty simplistic and one sided...
Pretty sure it's safe to say you are payed a nice wage.

 

I don't know about that. a lot of the minimum wage folk I see are people who have families and can't find better work for whatever reason, or kids trying to help out their struggling families.


when minimum wage was much "higher" in terms of value against inflation, less kids worked. there were less mickey mouse jobs, because the workforce didn't have to absorb as many highschoolers, because their parents could actually cover shit, and there was less obscene excess <more if we were to put it against inflation, but much less if we put it against the index of how much money people made>

 

yup, minimum.

it was simplistic; i don't feel like going into all the detail the subject deserves so i tried to sum in up in a couple sentences. i just don't feel sorry for morons who go out and have 10 kids and try to support them and a drug habit on a part time minimum wage job.

i'd rather see everyone with a job and some income, rather than no job and no income because their business went under because it couldn't afford to pay it's shittiest employees.

 

i think it should be scraped

 

if a company can't afford to pay it's shitty employees, it should fire them, and start over again.

if the wage is too low to get decent employees, and the company can't compete, it has failed as a business.

it's not the fault of minimum wage, it's managements fault for not keeping better care of their business.

 

Well you put it in the bleakest way possible I feel...

But yea, being from the shit town that I am in... I certainly understand the whole 9 kids that are fed on Doritos while there parents watch Nascar and drink Milwaukee's Best.

 

yeah, i'm just talking about the current situation. in the past things were obviously different, but it would take a hell of a lot to bring back the way things used to be.

sure, there's lots of people struggling to get by on minimum wage. but if you look closely, they almost all have some stupid shit that they don't begin to need, like a playstation 3, a big screen HDTV, a really expensive car, or whatever. and then they cry because they can't pay their rent. if people just were smarter about the money they earn, they wouldn't need to earn so much.

 

which, if it were a few individuals, could easily be something we should condemn them for, but it is a systemic problem

so, the question becomes

how do we address that?


<I should note, I am in favor of a tiered minimum wage, based upon age, work history, skill base, test scores (you can test up any of your categories but age) and a few other factors, this makes idiot snot nosed high schoolers worth about $3 an hour, and a good worker in their peak earning years worth something quite a bit more>

 

honestly, i'm exaggerating my opinion for the sake of argument here. i am against the constant huge jumps in minimum wage, especially now with the struggling economy. but nothing's perfectly black and white.

 

i think this would be a great start, at least.

 

A lot of economists think it sets the baseline for other wages.

There is no doubt it causes inflation, and some unemployment. But the unemployment is kind of skewed in a lot of senses.

I have mixed feelings on it, but I suspect it needs to be higher.

 

I'm actually trying to talk to some PWKMTM <people who know more than me> and get the information required to build a bill.

I have no idea how big that project would be, but, hell, if it could be a fulltime job, maybe I could start up a nonprofit and have a job I actually liked.

 

A job you like... ha!

 

yeah, it's like a unicorn, or a politician who doesn't lie.

 

i had a job i loved. and i left it. but that's beside the point.

wages need to go up for minimum wage type jobs. it's pretty rediculous right now.

 

even if they do go up, i'll still pay the illegal immigrant less to do the crap jobs

 

they're off the books, and they're willing to, that's the beauty of capitalism, if they're willing to, great, morally questionable, but, in terms of capitalistic theory, immaculate.