Mind Tripping?

You know how everything is sort of "in the mind" Do you ever consider highness is just in the mind too, and maybe the drugs are just a really pleasent quick way to get you there? Like Getting stoned on meditation, just another way of getting to that same place...Sometimes if my friends are blazed and I just come from work or something I can get to that place their in just by being with them and feeling that way...So I was figureing Just by pretending you can probley get stoned...Like a mix of meditation/mind power/and playing pretend with your self... of course drugs make it easier...and I guess easy is good...But still, it's pretty cool...mind tripping...just something to think about, or try...

 

That's a good way of looking at it, but when you are really actually high, you know it. Though, I hate it when people act like they're high when their still newbies!

 

A THC high is no more a real feeling then any other feelings you get. Annaboids, adrenaline, dmt, serotonin, dopamine and endorphines all get you high, they area all made by the human body, and are, in a sense, "just in the mind". Have you ever had runners high? It's a release of Annaboids and endorphines at once that your body releases in order cope with the pain of physical stress... ie: running. I seriously know a kid who plays hockey, and he is addicted. Literally addicted to runner's high. Is that not a real high just beacuse he did'nt take anything?

 

Many drug usage is just a way of getting to enlightenment quicker. Like a short cut. Different drugs stimulate different parts of the brain, so everything you are feeling is all in your head. Like Ram Dass said, Lcd only came to america because being a material world, they need a material to reach god and enlightenment. But, to much enlightenment could be bad for the mind, depending on how you get there. One Yogi in Nepal, took a massive amount of acid (only wish i knew how much) and it didn't do shit to him, because he had already reached that high point of being enlighted.

 

yeah, I agree with you wastingthedawn, I think that drugs are just getting you to that place faster, but you can achieve it without them but it may not be as fast or fun, lol. I've meditated but i've never tried to get "high" without drugs, I'd have to be around someone high so I could get their vibe.

 

right on.....

 

I beg to differ- Theres a differnce between being high and being giggly and happy. Theres also a differnt between having energy and being on a coke binge. Most adversly, theres an amazing differnce between a natural feeling of existance in the world, and a drug induced feeling of unity with the world. It is posible to alter your own state of mind without useing drugs. If a cop pulls up behind you right after you blow a stop sign, you might be paranoid. If your coming down off haroin, you may also be paranoid. In those 2 cases, the drug took longer to create the state of mind then did the natural stimulant.
I also think that the mind alone creates a much smaller variety of states (along with a much smaller magnatude) and alterations of the mind. Drugs like Lsd, research chemicals,mdma and pot however, can help the mind expand and stretch these states of mind beyond that of natural methods. Natural methods being purly created by the brain without drug induced alteration. I think a few people can feel me on that one..

 

If ya really want to get down to it, the high really is all in your mind. It's not the chemicals in (insert drug of choice here) that make you high. The chemicals in whatever drug you're using at a particular time release chemicals that are already in your brain and that's what makes you feel stoned, drunk, etc. An endorphine high is exactly that same thing as a high you get from putting chemicals in your body, except the effects are different.

 

I've had moments where I randomly felt like I was high. It's pretty cool, and I do believe that it can be achieved without the drugs. Like, I'm not sure if I agree that drug use = enlightenment, because I see enlightenment as a sustained state, not a few hours of bliss. But I do see drug highs as a taste of the possibilities. Anyways, I recently read "Illusions" by Richard Bach (a mindfuck in it's own right!), and it made me wonder if it really is all in the mind. Like the example in the book, maybe all we have to do is realize we already can play the guitar and just play it, instead of needing the usual years of "practice" to convince ourselves that we can. Maybe it's the same with drug highs, or enlightenment. I figure we all already are enlightened but it's hidden by our conditioning, and we think we have to DO something to attain it. But maybe it's there all the time.

 

could you elaborate on that? what is effects reffering to? it sounds like that sentence should read : Getting a natural high is the same as getting high on drugs, but differnt.

also i think a bennefit to the power of a mind altering drugs is that it releases chemicals, and amounts of those chemicals, that are not often experienced naturally.

this subject can get pretty deep, theres alot of POVs and insights, i think its best to experiment and come to your own conclusion.

 

man u can be high on life! but anyways dont mind my comments im high right now but im thinkin how the fuck u can get high without takin a drug? if that was the case people would not be doin drugs. take weed for example. when u on it ure mind expierences taughts u will never think of whne sober. man i dunno bout u people but u cant get high(well itleast the high im thinkin of) without drugs. i find that impossible to reach that state of mind.

 

i agree with trippin, in that i think we as individuals have so much mind power untapped. it's easy to play with your own mind..i think thats kindof ironical in certain respects. and i dont completely disagree with theories of the utilisation of mind power being able to create anything in almost a virtual sense - you think it and so you have it. the power of thought is the most powerful power we have. I also think it's easy to have minor flashbacks from drugs, and that includes pot. it used to happen to me alot. just like a brief moment where you feel it pretty full on.

 

i woke up about 4am this morning and walked downstairs to get a drink of milk. as i was walking upstairs to go back 2 sleep, i started to feel funny, but it was a familiar funny, it was a trippy funny, I started tripping! i havent triped for probibly a month or so but by god last night was some flash back magic from heaven, and on top of that, it was a complete mind trip, my third eye jumped wide open!

 

I used to be in cross country,track, and football...never had "runner's high", I have felt light headed while doing one of them, but i don't think it can be classified as a real high...lol addicted to runner's high???

 

but lots of people get addicted to excersize because it releases endorphins...which is a high feeling...excersize and sex are two very big highs...so get into!!! haha

 

I never exercised much, but a few times I tried to make myself run. I remeber one time after a 4 mile run when I got back to my house and was doing stretches on my lawn, the high really set in. It was so amazing, I just felt so great, invigorated with blood pumping and muscles warm and loose, this feeling of bliss and truly living. I think you have to push yourself really hard to get it (4 mile run as my first run in months? I still can't believe I did it, haha), or maybe just have to give yourself a chance to really feel it. Sit and stretch and let it do it's magic, rather than just go inside to shower and eat something.

 

yeah when all the muscles are still jumping around just lay back, it feels awesome because you're not controlling it anymore!

 

you can achieve the same effect on a long walk too

 

It's been proven that it's possible to get truly high without any form of drug. Basically what happens when you "free your mind" with drugs is you turn off a few connectors in your brain. There are two ways to reach this state without drugs There's the Placebo effect which makes you actually think that you're high because you think that you took a drug, but didn't. And then there's the self-induced(meditation) effect...which allows you to manually and quite knowingly turn off all these synapses in your brain. The reason this works is that when a person is high, their body stops doing much of the thinking(though MJ can make you feel more intensely) and leaves the soul or spirit, or whatever you want to call it, behind...you are freed to think without physical limits. Doing drugs does not add anything to your brain functions...that would, in fact, be quite the opposite of mental liberation. All it does is separate your soul/mind from an organ that filters your pure thoughts in such a way that those who are not in tune can understand what you're thinking. Meditation allows you to reach this state without a tangible substance. And the best part is that you can legally do it anywhere in any society...and the more you do it, the better and faster you'll get...maybe even faster than drugs. I've reached the point that it's almost impossible to bring me out of it sometimes.

and I'm not knocking on people who do drugs...go ahead...experiment around and get to know what that free state is like...just don't get so obsessed that you can't reach it by other means. I think it's like sex...you can do it whatever way you want, but when you do it the good clean old fashioned way(missionary style?), the ecstacy is so much more enjoyable(or at least she appears to enjoy it more )

 

you can not say mediation is better then drugs in general, yeah you cant, shall you be more spesific about which drugs are you comparing mediation to?

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