Milk and blood

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  1. Ajay0

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    Guru Nanak was the first Guru of the Sikhs and founder of Sikhism, which was said to have amalgamated the best teachings and practices in Hinduism and Islam.

    The religious philosophy of Sikhism is similar to that of the Prajapita Brahmakumaris and the Druze, the monotheistic Abrahamic religion that holds belief in reincarnation as one of its fundamental beliefs.

    Guru Nanak was known for his teachings on love for God, as well as the equality and fraternity of all human beings.

    He travelled around large portions of Asia spreading his teachings. Various miracles associated with him also attracted fame and popularity around him. Bhai Mardana, a sufi muslim and lifelong companion Bhai Bala accompanied Nanak in his travels.

    There is a popular story associated with Guru Nanak during his wanderings, where he received the hospitality of a humble and virtuous carpenter named Bhai Lalo and stayed with him.

    This excited the envy of a wealthy and tyrannical landowner named Malik Bhago who wanted Nanak to stay in his mansion instead. After repeatedly cajoling Nanak to visit his mansion for a feast, Nanak agreed .

    Nanak arrived at the mansion with some bread he had taken from Bhai Lalo. When he arrived at the feast, he took some grapes of Malik Bhago in his left hand and the bread of Lalo in his right hand and squeezed them. Upon squeezing, milk came from the dried bread of Bhai Lao while blood came out from the succulent grapes of Malik Bhago.

    This was Nanak's way of showing that food and wealth earned by honest and virtuous effort was similar to milk, while food and wealth earned by dishonest and vicious effort was similar to blood.


    MILK AND BLOOD
     
  2. NookaTheNook

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    What is greed ? A man riding a bike would think a man with a truck is greedy, the man with the truck thinks the BMW driver is greedy and so on.no matter what mode of transport you have, if you see someone in trouble and don’t stop to help, you are greedy.
     
  3. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Greed used to be a word with a specific meaning, but it has become appropriated to be used to refer to anyone who is more industrious than the speaker - guessing to make the speaker feel better about themselves for their own slacking and to attempt to inflict guilt on those who try to make something of themselves (their contribution to "equity").

    So now when I hear one person referring to another as greedy, I can't help but think another loser is demonstrating envy.

    And yet, the idea of a person striving to better oneself is a somewhat innate human quality. To me, the meaning of greed is when people uncaringly harm others in the process.
     
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  4. Echtwelniet

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    Most people are born into a mentallity of greed/money........the more you make.........the more freedom/luxury/power(society). Money(barter) has been around since forever, its more about consciousness(zeitgeist/tijdsgeest).

    Imo if we dont stop fighting(geopolitics/resources) and create some equality in basic needs(food/water/roof/healthcare/education) worldwide..........focus on science/energy/resources, not on economics/finance;)............we are not going to get anywhere soon.

    Question is can we evolve beyond this(humannature)............

    Mzzls
     
  5. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    The confusion arises due to a lack of understanding of human motivation. Healthy people are motivated to be happy, which necessitates work, accomplishment, and rewards.

    When a person exerts energy, physical and mental, to obtain something, they feel they've earned it.

    If they want to share what they've worked for, that's their choice. Likewise if they don't. The last thing that feels just is being forced to share the rewards of their efforts, though. That's human nature and can't be abated.

    Greed is taking things unearned.
     
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  6. themnax

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    all of this may be true, but when the means exist to make life more secure, less anxiety, less worry, less fear of failing to survive, for everyone,
    none of it makes sense as a reason to oppose doing so. which to me it seems is what we are too often hearing.

    and which is further extended as an excuse for authoritarianism. really the core excuse for it.
    i know these are not the same things, but they have always accompanied each other,
    and i've been hearing that one used as an excuse for the other all my life,
    and putin's invasion of ukrane is kind of an ultimate example of this kind of excusing
    as what hitler's holocaust.

    greed is not about "unearned" it is about denying the creative use of tools someone might not be able to attain,
    to hang on the wall as a decoration, by someone who can attain, but has no intention of putting to creative, or even any other use.
     
  7. soulcompromise

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    blood sugar sex majick
     
  8. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    If a person is opposed to another working and obtaining rewards, then it provokes the question "why?".

    In an economy where there's plenty to go around, everyone theoretical has a chance to earn some for themselves. And by producing, that's even more to go around.

    When the worker dedicated to the effort to improve his life is robbed of his earnings to reward someone else who'd rather sleep late and goof off, that's injustice which not only harms the worker, but the recipient as well, and also the society in which they both belong.

    And sure, greed can manifest in the form of holding others back from reaching their potential. That could be perpetuated by anyone in power, whether in private enterprise or in government.
     
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    creating and exploring gratify, how much doing so is resisted by whatever it might be has nothing directly to do with it.

    laziness also is not greed, but the fear that doing anything will cause more harm then good. in truth no one does nothing because boredom is repulsive too.
    although there are two completely different things called laziness. one, the good kind, is looking for easier tools and methodologies, that is the real mother of invention.
    the other, the one that deserves all the resentment, is making everyone else do everything for you and having some kind of edge on them to do so.
    and by that i mean individuals. the collective service provided by governments and organizations it what justifies their existence.

    worker is an arbitrary label. we are all peers, regardless of social or economic status.
     
  10. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    The "good" laziness is an explanation for productivity improvement motivation.

    "Peers" is a hierarchical term. Using the term implies an equal position in a hierarchy. Hierarchies by definition contain superiors and inferiors, and may contain peers but not necessarily.

    We are all equal in the eyes of God. But in society there are hierarchies.

    Creating and exploring gratify, as does earning. There is a balance however as to how much of one's efforts is just to convey to others exerting less effort. Thinking in terms of a small tribe, everyone has a role and the contribution of each is needed for the maintenance of the tribe. The same concept is expandable to a large society.
     

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