Methods Of Execution.

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  1. Jimbee68

    Jimbee68 Member

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    I don't know about capital punishment. I am becoming more and more skeptical about it. But if they do it, they should make it public again. It shocks? And that bothers you? Oh, no, it desensitizes? Isn't that what you want? Anyways, sometimes being desensitized is a good thing, because you talk more openly about a topic, without covering your ears and running away when it's even brought up.

    Just to summarize what methods are most humane. And everyone, whose opinion counts, or who we want to hear, agrees it should be totally humane:

    Jack Kevorkian believed carbon monoxide, in a small enclosed cell, or thru a mask was the best way. Carbon monoxide causes headaches. Also, what are you going to do with all that poisonous gas left over? It can be released into the air, but only slowly and carefully, and probably thru a tall chimney, to be safe.

    Some say nitrogen, or other inert gas, asphyxiation is the best way to go. This can be easily released back into the air, with little or no problem. (Carbon dioxide works in a similar way to inert air asphyxiation. But it creates a suffocating feeling. And the death is a little different.)

    Lethal injection is unpredictable, more often than we thought. It can go very wrong sometimes. And most drug companies won't even sell them to prisons in the US, that still do executions.

    Electric chair, firing squad, cyanide gas, etc. are all horrible ways to die, in every way they could possibly be used. Shame on you for saying otherwise, or that they should be used.

    Actually, the long drop hanging method is one of the best. It might be even better than lethal injection. It's actually kind of the same idea (see below). The Medieval short drop method causes slow strangling, and is a horrible way to die. The newer, long drop method severs the neck immediately. The nose has to be carefully placed in the right spot, and everything has to be carefully adjusted to the condemned height and weight. Actually an American executioner from the 1800's made a careful chart for all of this. The neck is severed, and unconsciousness is immediate. Actually, the person really feels nothing all. Unconsciousness is immediate. With lethal injection, unconsciousness is not immediate. So more goes wrong. Also, strange to say, the guillotine might be more painful than the long drop method. The guillotine kills a different way, by blood loss. Blood loss lead to slower unconsciousness. The head might be alive for maybe even up to a minute (some say). We just don't know. The long drop method leads to immediate unconsciousness. After you hear the "snap" people say.

    The only problem with the long drop method, is it is very unpleasant to watch for some people. The head comes loose in the neck. The face turns purple. Look at old pictures of Saddam Hussein's execution, if you want to learn more.

    But strangely enough, the long drop method and inert gas asphyxiation seem to be the best methods, if you support the death penalty still.
     
  2. Jimbee68

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    The Cucking stool was the mildest form of punishment in medieval Europe. And it was thought to be the least painful, which is why it was called the wymen pine, or "women's punishment". Disorderly women and common scolds were punished this way. And dishonest male tradesmen.

    We now know dunking someone repeatedly in cold water is a form a torture. Think of Chinese water torture and waterboarding. And the stool was shaped like a toilet seat, to heighten the humiliation and embarrassment. We also now agree punishment should never be humiliating or degrading either.
     
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    Also, outside appearances can be deceiving. During lethal injection, the person looks peaceful and tranquil, and their arms are often folded up as they die. But that is just because that is the last position they took before the Potassium Chloride paralyzed them. They might be in a lot of pain. We just don't know. The long drop method is sure and effective. And unconsciousness is immediate.

    As I said, I used to support capital punishment, which I just saw as a form of euthanasia. But there are many ethical complications involved too. To put it one way, when your dog Fido is about to be put to sleep, he doesn't know why you're taking him for a ride to the vet. There's the anticipation factor, as the person is being led, even to a humane death. I guess we could just not tell them. But that brings up things like the right to be informed, and even consent. So that's a bad idea. Plus capital punishment leads to a general devaluing of human life in our society.
     
  4. Bjgirl

    Bjgirl I’m just having fun!

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    If you have committed a crime worthy of the death penalty, then maybe you deserve any pain and suffering you experience, kinda like what your victim/victims had to endure.
     
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  5. Jimbee68

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    Do you take medication of any kind? I'm serious.
     
  6. Twogigahz

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    I think they intentionally used a too short rope for Saddam so he would just choke instead of a quick snap of the neck. There's been more than enough research on how much rope per pound for a 'proper' hanging.

    Why is lethal injection so difficult? Thousand of people die from zonking out from Fentanyl or Heroine. Those brought back with Narcan don't seem to complain of any great pain...in fact, the often bitch of their high getting ruined....

    I'd think Carbon Dioxide would be painful.....if you've ever burped on Coke or Beer up your nose, yow, that burns. Nitrogen, we're breathing lots of it all the time. Fill up a room with it and say good night, pal. There's probably a few gas chambers still available that have the proper ventilation...
     
  7. Bjgirl

    Bjgirl I’m just having fun!

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    No do you?
     
  8. Coachdb18

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    Yup! The only caution with the death penalty is you have to get it right, there are no do-overs, so if the person is actually innocent, you don't get to say oops, my bad. When you're sure of the guilt, the method of execution is actually secondary, just do it.
     
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    Add the imperfections in the criminal justice system and the certainty of guilt becomes elusive. If the system worked without fail a certain orange haired fascist would be wearing a orange jumpsuit, flip flops and far away from civil society.
     
  10. Bjgirl

    Bjgirl I’m just having fun!

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    Or an old traitor and his drug addicted som!
     
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  11. princess peedge

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    Watching Trump supporters swing for the fences is hilarious. Despite their guy being a convicted felon 34 times over, they're still clinging to this narrative that an old man who is no longer a factor is the real criminal.
     
  12. Bjgirl

    Bjgirl I’m just having fun!

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    If Kamala loses will she be going to work at the bunny ranch? At least she can do that pretty well.
     
  13. Coachdb18

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    Are you kidding? That giggle would kill any desire I've ever had, bunny or no bunny! That giggle in itself should be banned as a form of unconstitutional execution.
     
  14. princess peedge

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    Sex and laughing. It's all they've got.
     
  15. scratcho

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    Ok, what's to be done with that popular crocodile expert in Australia that has been fucking---torturing and killing hundreds and hundreds of dogs over the years? Should he be seriously fucked by some kind of beast, tortured for years and then beaten to death as he loved to do with helpless animals?? He was given 10 years in jail, so he will be out and more than likely will resume his " hobby." Some people NEED to be killed, IMO. Right along with the ones that rape and kill or knock up or molest little girls, some as young as 4---and even younger.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
     

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