Methanol

Discussion in 'Drug Chemistry' started by Crazy_P, Apr 8, 2006.

  1. Crazy_P

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    Hypothetical OTC source?
     
  2. polymer

    polymer Senior Member

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    RC airplane/car fuel
     
  3. dd3stp233

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    Most commercial RC fuel is mixed not pure methanol.
     
  4. polymer

    polymer Senior Member

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    mixed with nitromethane, most likely; that will evaporate off easily, so you're left with methanol.
     
  5. dd3stp233

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    Most of them contain oil components for proper engine performence.
    Why not just buy pure, otc at a chemical supply? A large hobby/RC shop may sell it because some RC hobbists like mix there own fuel mixtures.
     
  6. polymer

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    not many chemical supply houses are going to just sell reagents to random kids.

    If I couldn't get it otc, I'd get some windshield washer fluid, and distill off the methanol (it's mostly methanol anyway).

    Crazy_P, unless you need methanol as one of the reactants, you'd probably be better off getting denatured alcohol from a hardware store; it works well for most practical applications (i.e. extractions); if you were in the area, I'd give you some of my own. I have a liter of it, >99%, A.C.S. grade. i could always get more from the lab, we use lots of it.
     
  7. gnrm23

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    "dry gas" additive (auto supply store?) is usually MeOH...
     
  8. EllisDTripp

    EllisDTripp Green Secessionist

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    Some drygas is switching over to isopropanol, especially in areas with a big methlab situation...
     
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  10. LuMpYtRiChOmEy

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    Do paint stores like Duron, MAB or SWP carry absolute methanol? Im not too shure but I think I remember it as a solvent.
     
  11. EllisDTripp

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    Not sure what kind of painting work would need methanol.

    Paint stores do carry denatured alcohol (ethanol adulterated to make it undrinkable), as it is used as a solvent/thinner for shellac. Professional paint stores are also a good source for things like toluene, xylene, acetone, MEK, and muriatic acid.
     
  12. LuMpYtRiChOmEy

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    Hey Howdy Tripp :) ! Im not too shure. I thought I mighta remembered it on a shelf somewhere, I do a li'l bit of paintin but not enoughf to know what kinda paintin requires methanol. I just thought I remembered it somewheres. If someone were to substitute methenol with ethyl for a hot bath with some slurry of some type what ya figure the main differance would be in the residue that might be left over on the bottom of your pan? Ya think the main differsnce would be that the methenol evaps dryir? Would the main differance be that the ethyl leaves a thiker substance that requires more evapin?
     
  13. EllisDTripp

    EllisDTripp Green Secessionist

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    Both EtOH and MeOH will evaporate completely if pure, but the EtOH from a paint store is going to be mixed with *something* to make it undrinkable.

    If that something is methanol or some other volatile solvent, then it will evaporate just fine. If they added a solid substance like "bitrex" (denatonium benzoate), then it will be left behind after the alcohol evaporates.
     
  14. LuMpYtRiChOmEy

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    Could ya get Ethyl at the liquor store?
     
  15. EllisDTripp

    EllisDTripp Green Secessionist

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    Depends on your state laws. Not legal everywhere.

    AKA "Grain Alcohol". Most common brand name is "Everclear", which is 95% ethanol, 5% water.
     
  16. LuMpYtRiChOmEy

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    Damn Trip! Thats what I thought :) . So somebody could do an extraction that requires methanol and use everclear as a substitute and get just bout the same results then huh! Thats some crazy shitt.
     
  17. polymer

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    depends on the procedure/extraction.

    some require the more polar properties of methanol; in those cases, ethanol and isopropanol just won't do (they'll give low yields)
     
  18. LuMpYtRiChOmEy

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    Say if someone were to take mycelium material, dry it out and extract the psilocyben in repeated hot baths of everclear and filterin threw a buchner funnel. Would the results be simular to the way it would come out if you used methenol? What ya figure the differances would be if any? :)
     
  19. EllisDTripp

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    SWIM was never able to get a good yield of psilocin using EtOH (probably due to the residual water). MeOH isn't all that hard to get, and it is known to work well....
     
  20. LuMpYtRiChOmEy

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    So Thread starter will prolly have to get the methenol at the hobby store I guess. I coulda sworn I saw it on a shelf at a paint supply store sometime somewhere but I coulda been mistaken. Mabey I'l ask around next time Im out, it would be ashaim if thread starter had to evap off windshield wipper fluid or something if it was available in pure form OTC somewhere. Hey Polymer, :) think it would be ok if Thread starter just used the airplane fuel methanol with the engine additives in it and all? Would it mater in an extraction like the one I described above?
     

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