Methadonia

Heres a documentary for you opies, i just finished watching the whole thing, it was pretty good at highlighting just how bad methadone is as heroin, liquid hand cuffs they call it in the film, some real likable carachters all with there own stories to tell, Steves my favourite i nearly cried at the end, touching documentary pretty sad at times that we're in this mess.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5888306773553221655

edit - heres steve on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cBWzOjupTs"]Methadonia / Steve - YouTube

 

I think that compared to being a slave to heroin, anything is better, even methadone. I never got that far into opioids thank goodness. I got on Suboxone only a year after becoming addicted to opioids so I never sunk too low.

 

Methadone is definetly not for a rookie. I've only ever used it recreationally about 4 times I think. It is strong as HELL, and even just abusing it once can have some nasty withdrawal similar come-down. Don't know from self experience but I've heard and have seen people going thru Methadone WD's and it is the worst I've ever seen. People in jail ,grown men, that have been sick from it will be crying ready to tell on everybodys buisness just for a Percocet 5 for a little relief. Its crazy. But if you use it correctly to help it can be very benificial. Just a little warning for people who are curious about Methadone and don't want to watch the vid.

 

And also Methadone lasts FOREVER too, and strengthens overtime. Keep that in mind while dosing if your thinking about using it.

 

That was a cool video. Done can help alot of people I just hope people with a hydrocodone problem don't think it's the answer for them. That shit is addicting as fuck!! Cool video though thanks for sharing it.

 

You are right. Suboxone was invented for people with less severe opioid problems. I was addicted to Tramadol and Hydrocodone, and I went to Suboxone without even thinking about trying Methadone. It didn't even cross my mind.

 

No mate i'm definately NOT thinking about doing methadone i can assure you of that, i posted the video in the hope to discourage folk to use methadone, all the best

 

I agree ETK, I've been on suboxone and methadone in my life and the 2 drugs both keep you from withdrawing but are alot different at the same time. I do think done can help the right people, basically people who have gone about as low as they can go then done can help them get their life back. Suboxone saved my life basically, it can be a miracle drug when used right. One thing I've always hated about done clinics is they'll give it to anybody literally. I've met numerous people with a hydro or prefixed problem like you had in your past and they get on done just to end up more addicted then ever. It is sad. Suboxone is a much better answer IMO for the majority of addicts. Chris it was a cool video though, it did seem at times it almost like they were talking more about herion but the two drugs have alot of similarities. The average herion addict knows what he's getting into for the most part if he's going on done. This video could teach the other addicts that haven't necessarily been that deep into addiction that it's not the answer. Cool video, I just hope addicts can find the answer to their problems when the time comes to get clean. Take care guys.......

 

^ Yes, sir itch. I have heard stories of people going on Methadone for a CODEINE addiction. That is a shame indeed since they will likely be on it for life. I am glad that they finally found Buprenorphine is useful for MOST addicts since it isn't as much of a 'hook' as Methadone is. Plus you don't have to go to a clinic daily or any of that stuff. It is just treated like any other normal (scheduled) medicine.

 

I've had nearly every opioid available in America and in excess to the point of astronomical amounts that would even kill some opiate tolerant people. From Hydromorphone to Oxymorphone, Meperidine to Fentanyl, Heroin to Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, countless derivatives of Morphine, Thebaine and Codeine to raw Opium and tea made out of the dried pods. Out of all of them, Methadone has always been my favorite. The euphoria, the analgesia, the duration &c is simply the best, in my opinion. It is as strong as it can get. I feel that the reason why others do not feel the same way is because of the long build up to its peak effects, and the rapid tolerance issue. It is infinitely more intense than Buprenorphine, and this is exactly why I went on Suboxone instead of going to a Methadone clinic when I wanted to end the lifestyle associated with scoring whatever I could to keep from getting sick.

 

Magic I've always liked methadone as well. It wasn't my favorite but I loved how long it lasted and made me feel like a million bucks. The crash from it was horrible though. I'll never get stuck on it again for that reason. I quit the stuff at 70-80mg's a day cold turkey and I was sick for a month before I scored dope just to get a little relief. That was a bad time in my life but I learned some valuable lessons. I don't get the good feeling from subs but they've allowed me to function like normal people do. Like ETK said it's nice to not have to go dose daily as well. Subs was the first drug since I become a addict that I could continually take less and less verses more and more. That's when I new I was on the right track to recovery. I've always got headaches from subs, their not to bad and go away with a aspirin but does this side effect happen with y'all? Just always been curious if it was just me.

 

I HAVE had headaches on Suboxone before actually. I never really paid much attention to it, but now that I think about it, I can recall some times getting migraine-like headaches soon after taking it and wondering why a painkiller 20 times stronger than Morphine (Suboxone) wasn't taking them away. I believe this is a noted side effect though. And it certainly doesn't bother me enough to go off of the Suboxone.

 

Methadone and a xanax bar is the shit. But I don't do opiates enough to have withdrawls and they dont come around enough for me to be addicted...

 

ET, the only thing I can figure is I think it must be a sideeffect of the naloxone. I get headaches 95% of the time after a sub. dose. I'm like you their not bad enough to give up suboxone for but aggravating.

 

I've also heard this suggested before, but it doesn't seem to make sense because the bioavailability of Naloxone is 2%; it is almost completely eliminated from the body during first pass metabolism. It also has a comparitively short half life. I did get headaches from using Suboxone at first, but this seemed to stop after a few weeks.

 

Magic my headaches were at their worst in the beginning but I still get them. You made a great point and it don't make sense but I guess everything don't make sense. It's not a bad enough problem to take suboxone out of my life. I enjoy your posts magic you have alot of good wisdom in your words so thanks for that.

 

Buprenorphine (the main ingredient in Suboxone) has a somewhat different pharmacology compared to the typically abused opioids which may explain the headaches. The opioids people 'like' the most tend to be pure mu-opioid receptor agonists. Any effect on Delta-Opioid receptors and Kappa-Opioid receptors tend to be minimal since those receptors don't have to do with euphoria.

But Buprenorphine is a potent Delta-Opioid agonist AND a very potent Kappa-Opioid antagonist. The Kappa-Antagonist property is important as it helps in the reduction of a tolerance built up to Bupe. However, it may very well be the culprit for the headaches. That is just a subject more research needs to be done on.

However, just because of the radically different pharmacology, those other receptors can't be ruled out as culprits for the headaches.

And to complicate things more, the metabolite of Bupe, Norbuprenorphine, is actually a potent Kappa-Receptor AGONIST! Crazy. So maybe just the combination of the Buprenorphine trying to agonize the Kappa receptor and the Norbuprenorphine trying to get in for the antagonization causes the problem. Who knows!

Just some food for thought...

 

I think that this documentary gives methadone, and many methadone patients a bad name. Of course, every is different in their recovery or treatment program.

I was a heroin addict for over five years, and I have been on methadone for a little over 3. Methadone has been..wonderful for me. Many people misuse and abuse the program, while very few actually use it for what it is there for...treatment. Opiate addiction is a disease, both mental and physical and, in my opinion, requires both mental and physical treatment. Methadone has given me the leeway I needed to build coping skills, find solace, and finally get stability in my life.

You will always hear the horror stories about detoxing off of methadone. I never went too high on my dose. I use the program as treatment. When I felt well..I stopped increasing my dose. That was at 90mgs. Since then, I have come down to 32mgs. I decrease my dose when I feel comfortable (which is about 2mg every 2 to 3 weeks). I have experienced no withdrawal pains, no discomfort, etc. The methadone program is what YOU make it, and many people make it something very painful and stressing. It doesnt have to be.

There is NO wrong way to go about bettering your life.

 

Yeah. The film makes Methadone Maintanence seem horrifying for people who aren't addicted to opioids. They don't have any idea how addictive opioids are and don't realize that even going through the annoying system to get Methadone is WELL worth the reward of a mildly reinforcing medication that is proven by 50 years of research to prevent opioid relapses and reduce crime rates significantly.

So if someone who doesn't have an opioid problem saw this video, they would be freaked out and wonder why someone would continue to go to a Methadone Clinic. A person addicted to opioids, on the other hand, would say "Hey. Those people have to do a lot of stupid stuff to get their Methadone. But, heck, they are living a pretty normal life and they aren't engaging in criminal behavior and just go about their lives like anyone else."

Big Difference. I still don't know if I 'like' or 'dislike' this movie (which admittedly I haven't seen the whole thing). Part of me thinks it is good and informative. But the other part of me thinks it is quite biased and portrays opioid addicts as both stupid and criminal, which is no more true than any population. Sure, some people WILL be stupid and criminal. Thus, surely the opioid dependent population will have some stupid and criminal people too.

 

is it true that methadone withdrawal can kill you if you took it for years? Heroin withdrawal is the worst feeling but you cant die from that. While methadone withdrawal can be deadly. im talking about quitting cold turkey. is this true?