Olympic has men boxing women. How serious done a woman have to get hurt, or even worse, before they put a stop to it?
If you did even the most cursory amount of research before posting, you'd know that you're full of shit. Imane Khelif is and always has been female. Try educating yourself before mindlessly parroting Reich-wing faux outrage and transphobic propaganda.
It's a real shame that, having trained as hard as they do for a shot at an Olympic medal in their chosen sport, and they end up having to face some dude with an obvious advantage that deprives them of an opportunity to compete on a level playing field. I hope a woman doesn't have to die for this to stop, but I think we all know it's likely. Damned Shame!
This is what I've been saying for years. Why is it I have to compete against some seven foot guy when playing basketball when I'm only five foot six (on a good day)? Not a level playing field. Obvious advantage. BTW,
Fact check.... Women don't have a dick! Title IX was created for women to have an equal chance in sports, and not having to compete unequally with men for the chance.
Is spreading disinformation against the rules or not? This is the rhetoric that gets me and my friends attacked. Be better Hip Forums
Some people seem to have an inordinate ability to deduce from what they read, that which they want it to say. Coach; why did you preface your post with the term 'fact-check' and then continue to write absolute rubbish, when the post above yours provided the information you needed? from Google: That is not the same as ensuring equality in sports. Fact: There is no person competing at the Olympics who is not the same gender they were born.
There are in fact people competing in the Women's division Olympic boxing competition who have XY chromosomes. They've had those chromosomes since conception.
According to the Russians anyway. Of course the IBA itself has been banned and has failed to provide evidence of these claims.
The IOC failed in many ways this Olympics making it more political than ever. It should be about celebrating the athletes. We support the athletes, no longer the IOC or any factions. Sad. Perhaps in regards to this thread, they should have levels of competition based on the science stated, could it be fairer???
It is more complex than just "they are man" vs "it is misinformation" narratives. It is also nothing new, OI and other competitions had long had headaches with athletes that have female genitalia, but not necessarily chromosomes or hormones. It is just that it fits in the big trans-related political debates of the day this time around. What we know for sure in this case is that those athletes have been assigned female at birth and considered female ever since. That is the only certainty. There are assumptions and also some claims by Russian controlled boxing bodies about their own tests that consider them male, assumed to be related to chromosomes. But no available documents, and no tests done by OI authorities. To solve that issue we would need to have very clear criteria about sport-related definition of gender, and we do not, so it is not easy to blame anyone either and say who is right or not. And to even develop that criteria we would first need to get over "assigned at birth" criteria, which is often promoted by the same people that are calling those two out. And then we would need to be very precise with all the different forms of "hermaphroditism", sub variants and manifestations. As long as there is nothing like that that is universally accepted across regulating bodies it will be endlessly debated on case-to-case basis and there is not ground to call any decision right or wrong by default.
This particular debate based just on rumours aside - saying this is also too dismissive, as much as the other side. Having trained a full contact combat sport I would have been extremely careful about anything but the lightest sparing with someone of a much lower weight class or (typical) female. There has to be a big disparity in fitness and skill level going the other way for that to even be considered. Ability to both take and create damage changes a lot with weight, muscle mass and bone mass and density, what for a heavy weight male might be a light nuisance might seriously damage someone much smaller for example. A small “Bruce Lee” fighting human mountains is for movies and the snake-oil self-defence industry, not real life. Yea, boxers (kick-boxers, MT, MMA, etc) get punched, but we are also implementing a lot of rules and regulations to try and minimise risks, because no one wants people dying left and right and no one wants their sport to be forbidden as a consequence either. Not anyone can get into the ring, not against anyone and not at any time (there can be time-limited bans to give minimal recovery times after injuries, surgeries, knockouts, etc). Well, unless it is a shitty pro commission in a certain money hungry place that lets anything fly, including a 60yrs old Tyson or powerslaps, but that is a whole different discussion and something that many other regulating bodies would not allow. Even two healthy, fit individuals of the same gender and weight class will not always get cleared to fight even in the pro-world, for example if it is determined their skill levels and experience are way too mismatched. Some things are still struggled with like long term cumulative brain damage that can not be monitored and regulated against that easy. Also weight classes protect, but also create issues with weigh-cuts that have been addressed in different ways, but none is perfect (beside decreasing stamina it can increase risks of injury following severe dehydration, including diminishing protective brain fluids), but this is not in that category of issues either. Saying something like what is quoted would assume you can just sign up for it and get in the ring with no other considerations, and that is not the case. We don’t have a system in place ATM to deal with more than the traditional two gender divide, and as mentioned in the previous post that was something that has been an issue in sport even before the general public and social movements caught up. Hopefully with the public being more aware that there are areas in between the two points defined by such a binary system, commissions might in time find a way to deal with it. ATM there is nothing universal and it varies from one regulating body to the next.
