Mein Kampf

Discussion in 'Non-Fiction Books' started by pandapandapanda, Jun 27, 2013.

  1. Yes this is a book by Hitler. I'm not one to be very stuck on a book by a man who killed people but as I read on I seemed attracted to his ability to word things a way that appealed to the reader. Does it make me bad to of enjoyed that book?
     
  2. RIPTIDE59

    RIPTIDE59 Banned

    No, not bad. Most of it was bullshit. Poor little adolf feeling sorry for himself. My mother grew up on a German island in the North Sea. Through her young adulthood then on the mainland ; she acquired an "autographed" copy of the book. Come to find out the autograph was bs as well. Ma married an American GI and came to US in 1953. She died a few yrs ago at 92. The book sold to a local book dealer for $50. When I questioned him ; he explained they were easy to come by showing a few he already had.
     
  3. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

    Hitler was an evil person ultimately.

    But he was a great communicator, which is a big part of the reason he gained power. Millions of Germans were drawn to him, mesmerized even.

    Substance and charisma are very different things. So you need to be careful which influences you admit into yourself. Nazi influences are really not good.

    You need to understand just how bad they were.
     
  4. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    However, his ability to enrapture an audience was based on the spoken word.

    In Brave New World Revisited, Huxley posited that taking a literate culture and introducing spoken word (radio, in his example) would catch attention via novelty.

    Same thing now in the digital world. A book carries more academic weight than, say, Wikipedia.

    That opens the floodgates to bad self publishing being taken seriously.

    Now as you your question of "enjoying" this particular book. Why did you enjoy it?
    If you read it in a language other than German, you aren't reading the author's writing, but a translation.
    Translating German (and Yiddish) is a "close enough" proposition. There's a reason sciences, especially psychiatry and psychology, tend to keep German words. Translations miss.

    If it's the content, well, yeah. It's a foolish rant creating scapegoats.
     
  5. lancehitler

    lancehitler Guest

    Interesting observation, I have not read it but have browsed it. He wrote it while he was incarcerated. No doubt he was evil incarnate, before all the war issue he was able to raise Germany out of the gutter due to the draconian rules of the 1919 Treaty of Versailles.
     
  6. celticman4

    celticman4 Member

    I agree with your comments about the treaty of Versailles. Huge mistake for the US and UK to give in to France on this. That said, Hitler took Germany from the gutter and returned them to an even worse gutter in a few short years. Which German in all of history was worse for Germany than Hitler? (And yes, I know he was Austrian)
     
  7. Duck

    Duck quack. Lifetime Supporter

    I couldn't get that far into it. I wanted to read it to get an understanding of his mindset, but it was really rambling in a way and full of faulty logic. The kind of book I can't see convincing anyone, but completely inflaming those who share the viewpoint. Pretty much, I saw it as being the 1930s Ann Coulter..
     
  8. -Yggdrasil-

    -Yggdrasil- Einherjar

    Yeah you're not wrong there Duck. I tried many times to read this and a few years back finally managed to but man was it painful to read. I found myself so uninterested in most of it that I was reading the same page up 4 times just trying to actually retain the information.
    Though it never helped that the translator made a million footnotes trying to pinpoint any hypocrisy, mistakes etc. Hitler had made when it was written. That became annoying quite fast.

    There were really interesting parts in the book and ultimately I don't think the dudes reasoning behind a "German Germany" was all that bad. It made sense to me. Keep Germany for the Germans, if you're there on holiday you respect the land for it is not yours.

    I also strongly agreed with the euthanization of mentally ill people who offer nothing to society other than extreme costs to keep them alive.

    That'll probably be unpopular to some but it makes sense to me.
     
  9. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Ok, give Australia back to the aborigines.
    Australia for the true Australians. (Same for the rest of the new world)

    He was saying get rid of people perceived as "not German," even if they had been in Germany for generations.
     
  10. -Yggdrasil-

    -Yggdrasil- Einherjar

    Aboriginals actually traversed from the northern realms of Papua down to Australia. They were also strangers of this land. No point trying to argue with an Aussie on that topic, it fuels most of our history and geography based arguments throughout classrooms nationwide. :D

    And what you say he was saying was not what he was saying in the translation that I read, nothing close to it.
     
  11. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    Translations are quite interesting. I've read three different versions of Mein Kampf and they've all been quite different. I'll assume the one written in Deutsch was more appropriate or exact but then again it was an updated copy so who knows. The two English versions were quite different especially in how it was all worded. One edition was roughly 1300 pages and the other well under 1000.

    I have read one with footnotes by the author which may have been the one you read, Ygg, but I'm not sure. It was quite frustrating because there were asterix **** everywhere indicating read the footnote every few sentences.

    I'd like to have an original copy and a English translated copy and just see how far off it really is. I assume the main ideas and agendas are correct but you two already have different perception of what was read and I blame this directly on the authors understanding of the translation.
     
  12. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    His point was all focused on Germany (and areas in dispute) for Germans, and did not see Jews as German, even though they had been there since the Fifth Century of the common era.
     
  13. -Yggdrasil-

    -Yggdrasil- Einherjar

    So you're saying he was focused on a Germany for Germans?
    Pretty much exactly what I said? :)
     
  14. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

  15. oscar2u

    oscar2u Banned



    Well, there is NOT much difference between Mien Kampf and the koran. Both books preach hatred of Jews and killing everyone who does not agree with you. You go figure. ...Oscar
     
  16. QueerPoet

    QueerPoet Senior Member

    Ummm, it actually makes you sound profoundly disturbed. What in the hell makes you so superior? Life is something to be treasured. That's something that Herr Hitler (and you) just can't seem to grasp.

    QP
     
  17. celticman4

    celticman4 Member

    Well said.
     
  18. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

    Ditto.
     
  19. -Yggdrasil-

    -Yggdrasil- Einherjar

    I grasp the concept, don't agree with it.

    Was bought up in schools that catered for the mentally ill and those incapable of moving on their own. Could not learn, could not understand. Please tell, from your personal experience, how an individual who cannot fathom any understanding and cannot learn the knowledge of "life is to be treasured" can have any "quality of life" going on for them?

    My personal opinion on it is cruelty and many other people will agree with me. This is why self termination centres and hospitals exist. What are you going to believe? That even the scientists and medical professionalises that agree with self deliverance are all also "disturbed" because they have a differing opinion to your own?
     
  20. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    Well I'm no scientist or doctor buuuut I assume the fact he has a physically able body and mind could probably answer that question. I also believe I'm far superior to those who don't know any better.

    OoOo treasured life Vs quality of life. That's a good one.
    I'll also raise my hand as a "disturbed" person. I also see it as cruel and a huge cost on the economy driven by taxes we all have to pay for and what do I get out of it?
    Yes I'm that selfish. -.-
     

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