I meditated after i got done smoking some green and it was a very interesting experience. I had only smoked a bowl but as soon as i got into the process of letting my mind go some thing very strange yet beautiful happened. It seemed like all of the sudden i had a million thoughts at once rise up through my spine and into the top of my head. Once it reached my crown it felt like i was entering a diffrent pyramid of thought (hard to explain) . After this i began to start to think consiously again and i felt a very wierd/good feeling all over my body and espescially near the base of my body. I don't really know about all of these things that happened....i don't know how much of it was my imagination or what.....i do know however that if i had kept letting all of my thoughts go i might have seen somthing almost surrealistic... and tonight i think im going to take a larger dose and see what becomes .. so what are your thoughts on this?
Yeah, but what's the point unless you plan on staying high the rest of your life. Meditation is the way to get high without drugs. For people who aren't stoned. You're mixing means, like making a cocktail with alcohol and tea.
Aw, he can do whatever the hell he likes. Pot is good, right on, man. Let your mind travel past the earth, man. There you will find righteous sensory. Mix a little of that with some Pink Floyd & you got a far out evenin'.
Meditation is a razors edge. wrong meditation can lead to insanity and worse. Stick with the tried and true methods. Im not gonna tell you not to meditate when youre high, but I will tell you this. Thie goal of meditation is not to exprience grand visions, to gain powers, to relax or to improve your health. These may come to you, they are but side effects. Tre meditation is when you look beyond all experiences, to the pure light of conciousness which illumines all these things, when you come to realise your oneness with that Light of Conciousness and revel in the bliss of your own true Supreme Immortal Self. Everything else is a distraction that needs to be bypassed. The verse of Sri Adishankaracharya from the Brahma-gyanavalli comes to mind... antar jyotihi bahir jyotihi pratyak jyoti paratparaha jyotirjyoti swayam jyotihi atma jyoti shivosmyaham Light within, Light outside, Light everywhere, deeper than the deepest Light in light, the Self Effulgent, the Light of the Self, that Shiva I am. Note - Shiva means auspicious, pure.
well said bhaskar! meditation while stoned is not truly meditation. no whining will change that, and fantasy abounds in the minds of the lost. love light balance LL
I have mediated a number of times while not under the influence of substances and I do relize that the inner light cannot truely be found through herb and meditation. Fortuntly I treat these sessions as experiments more then experiences. The experiment/experience of the first night was by far unique opposed to the second night. On the second night i wasn't extremely focused to look within. Instead i had the usual high except my thoughts were much more complex and deeper because of my semi-relaxed state (although my mind might not have been relaxed my enviroment was) I thought about a lot of complex, useless, trivial, exciting, exhilerating thoughts about the world and universe. Other then that nothing special really happened to me. i dunno maybe it was my imagination but if that was my imagination then i really do respect the imaginative properties of the brain.
I've always liked meditating without the influence of drugs. I reached my new reality without drugs. It just gives you more of a sense of accomplishment, for lack of a better word. I think that meditation and drugs shouldn't be mixed. There's a time for both.
I went to Maharishi International University for four years and meditated in groups sometimes upwards of 2,000 people. After I graduated I went to New Orleans where I lived for fifteen years. During that time I stopped meditating then started using. After awhile I missed meditation but was always fucked up on something, so I just started to meditate no matter what state of mind I was in. I must say that it's possible, but then later when I would dry out and really get down to meditation basics I could feel the flow of energy quicken and my awareness really get much more salient and clear and light. Sure I had some fun meditations when stoned or whatever, but they just couldn't compare to the clarity of my normal, boring, meditational experiences which are and forever will be for me, touchstones of my mind and personality. I know who and what I am through meditation. Any offset of that experience is merely a cloud upon it. So I can say that meditation can be done while under the influence, but it's not the same truely profound benchmark of the soul that happens when not high. And I'm glad for this, it's impetus for me to remain straight, and also meditation is a handy way for me to straighten out my deranged brain chemicals when the high wears off. If I was only to meditate stoned then it would be no refuge for me at all. These are my thoughts.
I have missed your presence in these forums and wondered often if you had joined under a different name which I didnt recognise... Im glad you are back!
I've found pot to be counteractive to being in touch with my intuition- if anything I feel like it seperates me from the deeper roots of my being- more an alien presence than a helper. I think it increases the sensations of energy passing through your body but not in a sustainable way, not in a way where you return to life filled with hope and beauty so much as a desire to get high again. I think that if you want to get high, then smoke pot. Meditiation might enhance the experience. If you are seeking mystical experiences then mediate. I doubt a yogi or monk would recommend smoking pot. If you want to change yourself for the better, then face reality without chems. On the other hand, I have felt like psychedelic drugs/plants can be healing if done in the right setting/intent. Pot seems like a cloud to me while other chems & plants (LSA, psilocybin, mescaline) are more transparent and transcendental. I guess it all depends on the mindset. With meditation alone, you can probably "trip out" more than any other drug (outer body experiences, etc). It just takes more willpower and determination, but it is rare that things of lasting value come from instant gratification.
Actually, doing a homemade kundalini raising technique given to me by a professional psychic who didn't understand kundalini is what made me have my first bad trip on acid when I was fifteen.
meditation is supposed to clear your mind and relax yourself and help find your zenith, as im sure you all know. i dont think its wise to zone on weed, but im sure it brings alot of enlightening things to mind. something i should try....
You should listen to people that knock meditation while stoned but that doesn't make them understanding of the great gift from mother nature, ganja, it's sacred name. Meditating while stoned would probably make it more difficult to meditate for most, that challange can help one improve thier practice. Dive deeper into concentration... Not everyday of your life is gonna be a nice quiet room with the birds in the background chirping, there are gonna be times you are faced in a difficult groggy state, maybe at the time of death, you are very groggy, yet because of the experience with diving into the light during a state of alterted conciousness, this being was able to move into the light an escape another rebirth... Being able to meditate in different conditions is very useful, in different situations, with noisy annoying people, doing japa as people are chasing after you with rocks trying to kill you, ram ram ram ram ram. Bhagavan Das talks about such things in his book, It's Here Now. Also I would say, that ganja according to a few of the teachers I follow, recommends that if you are gonna do it, or feel drawn to its use in part of your spirituality, it would be best to use it in devotion, bhakti yoga... thus sitting in front of an altar, smoking and singing to shiva, or doing japa, walking in nature worshiping the dance of light before you, or dancing for god and krishna and shiva and kali... that sort of stuff, heart, the GREEN GLOW! Ganja can help this sort of thing. What do you think the rastas are doing? They are doing bhakti to Jah, thier name for God! And let's take it ever further, with alcohol... Did you know that Rinopoche, considered by many a realized being, used to down a saki, then go out of his mind, expanding into the universe in deep beautiful meditations... Or alan watts, a well respectect spiritual man and advanced thinker, dead drunk most of the time with young girls (of age) holding him up, I don't think they were in charge of his secretarial duties, snicker snicker... Yet they were both so respected, with thier love, with thier wisdom! Sure it's not for everyone, but where did all this spiritual elitism come from? Why does everyone have to hold on to this spiritual elitism? I see it everyone in the spiritual community, I see it in myself. We should all get off our high horse of my path is the best, and realize that ALL PATHS are the best, merge with the paradox and laugh at the cosmic joke with the likes of Ananda Mayee Ma and such. Meditate when you eat, talk, work, be, smoke pot, drink, make passionate love, or whatever, don't get hung up on form and/or lack of form that goes for me too! The sitting practice whether stoned, downing sakis, sober as the day you were born, on prozac, and so on, is meant to like my dad's buddhist teacher says boil the patatoe, in other words, its to focus it, focus that energy, develop that practice, habit of concentation, so it carries itself into all your activities! Pee with love! Feel the stream of urine flow out of your body, really be with the pee, you will be suprised how you can get some of your most amazing mystical experiences from peeing.
It is difficult enough to surmount the obstacles of your mind in its normal state in meditation. Using substances to increase your thought density is merely making things harder for yourself. Also a realised master may do anything. You cant question him. Krishna has 36000 wives. Yet when the Yamuna was in flood he said, if I am a celibate then make way for me. The Yamuna parted. That was the level of detachment. But in order to achieve the state when you can do whatever you want without being attached to and develop vasanas for it, likes and dislikes etc, cannot be obtained while continuing to indulge in such things. One reaches realisation when all material attachments are dropped. I seriously doubt if you would remain happy and contented if you had no ganja to smoke and nobody to screw with.
Man, I just started toking again last christmas, I took a vacation from the ganja for seven or so months, it was beautiful very blissful, plus I didn't get laid during that period either, there was only one near date, she cancled at the last minute. I started toking because I asked my inner guide if it would be a good for me, if it would be helpful... My inner guide gave me the go ahead. Ganja wasn't difficult for me to give up, it's not addictive. Yes it is helpful to my practice, but it is not primary. Now I admit I do struggle with my sexual desires, yet if I was celibate I would struggle just as much, Tantra is a practice to, to go through the desires... One is no better then the other, I have respect for both. The thing is giving up, letting go, can be done while you are doing it as much as while you are not doing it! It's all in the mind.
Well if you truly continue to indulge in these things without having any sort of desire for them, then I can only touch your lotus feet and pray that by your divine grace I also achieve such great feats of vairagya.
I have plenty of stuff on my table to work with desires that come and go, fears that come and go, but that is just lettuce in the salad bowl I give to the beloved. My Ram Dass talks about his neurotic issues that come up like little shmoes, little fuzz balls, that come up and you offer them tea, friends. Not big monsters that need to be killed. LOVE ALL! No one is higher then anyone else, I bow to your lotus feet, you bow to mine, we both bow to Babaji, go up to a bum on the street bow to his (in energy). We are one. And this process into realizing this, into awakening to our true self... This process; that means all our "flaws" "desires" "fears" and what not... they are PART of the perfection. They are all petals on the cosmic flower in the hand of Babaji. Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare God is playful!
Ganga is a very Yin teaching plant. It puts one in touch with the Pranic Astral body. It scatters Yang Chi. When High, your Etheric or Causal body is very open to incomming messages and lower astral beings. If you are taking a nature walk or are on a vision quest it can be inspiring. When one smokes it should be as a sacred act. Why smoke and go to a club where you will just magnify sticky sexual energy sensitivity or watch a violent or erotically charged video when you amplify all that was put into making it? Be very aware of any entities you are opening to. Be very aware that smoking will increase the rushing obsessive sensation of any samskaras that remain. In this it can be useful for self study and introspection to discover what remains of undigested subconscious material. If you practice Kundalini yoga here is a quote from Sunyata "Kundalini is no joke. There are those who arouse Kundalini and go crazy. If you practice carefully and sanely, however, you should encounter no serious difficulties. But do not practice any of these methods under the influence of drugs. The effect can be devastating, and may scare you away from practice for life." I guess it really depends on what you mean when you say Yoga and Meditation. Ganga is part of the 5 fold sacrament of Tantra when speaking of the Maithyna ritual, however, I would advise doing quite a bit of self introspection and working out of imbedded samskaras related to sexual desire and attachment and the need to not feel lonley when alone before integrating a homepathic dose of ganga into Tantra. We each dance a different dance when removing the veils covering the Self. When doing anything take a step back and witness ... what is this and how is it unfolding and what is it bringing to the path. There is much truth to play and joy and not taking anything personally. There is much truth to karma and samskaras and honoring the divine, both masculine and feminine, within. We don't truely need anything. How best to digest what is stored? A vision quest should enrich the tribe ... what are you bringing back to waking life from the realm of the Nagas?
