McCain says the president needs to be a Christian

The topic of Obama's "Muslim faith" has come up. So I thought I'd share a good example of what a bigot McCain is.
See for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9izhjnaLa3M

Not that the US was founded on the best ideals, but I thought it was founded on the principle that church and state should be separate?
Of course Republicans like McCain have no problem rewriting history to support their own agenda. Unfortunately, his philosophy wins votes.
And here's Obama's view on religion in America. Isn't he a radical for being tolerant of other people's beliefs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35sGJrWKcmY&NR=1

What do you think?

 

It's meaningless and irrelevant. It's politics.

 

I know that. But I'm mostly just responding to the thread about Obama "fucking up" and saying he's a Muslim.

 

I think this is what you meant to say when you typed "separation of church and state"

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

And actually you are wrong- many Christian principles and ideals did find a way into the Constitution- they may not be exact quotes from the old testament, but the ideals are directly from it. From the Golden Rule to the principle of Just War, the Constitution would not be the same if it weren't for Christianity.

Many of these originally Christian principles have been applied to thousands of other things.....And it wasn't just Christian principles, many others besides Jesus of Nazereth have influenced our current political ideology- Socrates, Plato, John Hobbes, John Locke, John Eck and thousands of other philosophers and great political thinkers have immeasurably influenced our Constitution.

Our Constitution is among the greatest political documents ever written- otherwise, we wouldn't be where we are today- the wealthiest, most powerful country in the world. If it weren't for our Founding Fathers, presidents like Bush and Andrew Jackson would have burned this country to the ground years ago.

McCain is simply talking God to swing the bible belt vote, which is a must have for most republicans. Although his rhetoric has a fascist edge to it, it is mostly all talk.


Almost all presidential candidates (save for the occasional Ron Paul) has and will continue to use religion to bolster support.

Hitler did it. Stalin did it. Bush did it. And now Obama and McCain are doing it.

Its all just talk- pre- rehearsed sound bites, slogans, and rhetoric- and both candidates play the same card all of the time.

If you really want to see some answers- look at both mens actions. They speak a lot louder than words ever could.

Oh and by the way- the more you study (if you so choose to study) into these guys, the more you will find out that they are EXACTLY THE SAME.

Don't let either fool you- they aren't running for president for your benefit.

Change this change that God this God that.... its all just propaganda and you need to understand that.

I am not trying to belittle anyone, but I still have to call a spade a spade.

 

Thanks a lot Jimmy Carter...:toetap05:

 

hey is it true that Bob Barr stepped down so that Ron Paul could be on the Libertarian ticket? If so, that is WONDERFUL.

 

No.

 

i'm voting for the application of the sermon on the mount!

 

Think I'll vote for the Oscar Meyer Weinermobile.

 

I'm voting for cannabis sativa as a write-in candidate. It makes as much sense as all the rest of the politics, and at least we'd have a decent bush in the white house. At least for a bud plant, I'd stand while they played 'hail to the chief'

 

Who would win a presidential election?

Sativa

or Indica?

 

Yes, of course it was founded on Christian values. But my point is, the country was founded on a combination of faith and reason, and not the modern Christian right's philosophy of rejecting reason. And while it's full of Christian values, people were previously persecuted for being the wrong kind of Christian. It was not as diverse a society as the US is now, and the Constitution was written hundreds of years ago. The founding fathers were progressive in their time. But they also owned slaves. Values have changed...racism isn't acceptable anymore, even though the country was founded on European values. In 1776, nobody could even comprehend the idea of Obama running for president. But now, all races are protected under the constitution, and Obama is not considered less American than McCain because of his race. In this day and age, religious pluralism should be accepted. Obama's views are in the spirit of those founding fathers, while McCain's views are very much contradictory to that.

I may be a Canadian, but your government has a huge influence on Canada, especially with the Conservatives in power...

Well, if McCain believes in the values that the US was founded on, he'll have to accept that the founding fathers were growing hemp...haha

 

the american public prefers to be anesthetized, so i think indica.

 

Very likely, LotF, but I'd vote for either. they seem much more humane as candidates than the rabid dogs we've got running now.

 

I would vote for White Widow, a true bi-partisan candidate.

 

I think that this picture sums it up very nicely:

 

That's bullshit, the president should be agnostic.

 

That's hilarious, and it's a pretty good comparison...

 

Actually Christianity has more to do with the New Testament than the Old Testament. Christ added a commandment, to love one another...seems the New Testament and Christ get lost in the shufle many times when it comes to politics we seem to only focus on the Jewish laws. Christ didn't exist in the Old Testament.

By saying that we should espouse one religion over another we are actually prohibiting the free exercise of any other. For McCain to base his eligibility on religious allegiance seems empty to me anyway. Where was his Christian support or his first wife and family. What happened to his marriage vows? Is Christianity only a matter of convenience?

 

I'd vote for a true christian candidate that espoused Christ's commandment to love each other, made the night before he was crucified.

If he hadn't thrown the money changers out of the temple would he have been turned over to the Romans to be crucified?