Masonic Symbols?

Exactly. They are the ones who control everything. That is what I was referring to.

 

have you ever heard Ikes final fireside chat? He warned exactly of this. and those you hold dear decided he was full of shit and openly embraced this "military industrial complex"
I blame our fathers

 

Those I hold dear? Please elaborate.

 

oh, I guess your family didnt vote, so I will take that back. No one you care about had anymore power to influence events than you do.

 

Wow, chill out, I didn't know what you had meant.

Let's be reasonable now, most people are enablers to the system. That is common knowledge.

 

I do agree, but we enable because it gives back. The system you are so against gives back, its why its allowed to be. The far fetched future I think I see you fearing, would not benifit the people with the most to gain. Its more like the matrix than 1984. Unhappy people dont produce.

 

The system gives back? How? People have been conditioned to think they need the system, but when have governments ever had the people's best interests in mind? That is simply not the purpose of government and this has never been the case. All governments throughout history have been predatory. The only purpose government serves is to keep the few at the top living in absolute luxury, while the peasants (the people) serve this system without ever thinking twice that they're working towards their own enslavement.

 

when has any man had anyone elses best intrest in mind? a father....sometimes....any other time.

 

money is the reason they hold so much power, right? like 13 main families, correct? dont they all congrigate at the bohemian grove?
selective assassinations?
steal their gold?
how to stop this before it gets too much to handle. it cant be TOO late, can it?
i have no faith that the 'sheeple' will ever open their eyes in time. so we WILL be the enemy. the 'terrorists'. how to save someone that already thinks their free?
screw the sheeple. how to save ourselves?
hide in a cave until the shit hits the fan, live underground and salvage what we have left and start a 'republic of earth'?
can it be stopped?

 

if the masons wrote the constituion, why did they let people be so free? why try and give the states so much power, just to take it away 200 years later?

 

Money (and blood) is the reason they hold so much power, but to them money is simply their way of controlling the nations and its population through debt creation. Money really means nothing to them since they own the printing presses which print the money out of nothing. They control credit and debt. The 13 families control the banking system. However, there are families above these 13 families who are even more secretive, who most of us have probably never heard of. The Rothschilds and Rockefellers are simply high-level working families, but they are in no way at the top.

As far as Bohemian Grove.... this is mostly for the lower-level elites. You will find a lot of high-level politicians, government officials, CEOs and even entertainers there, but usually not the banking elites. Bohemian Grove is really just a getaway for the bureaucratic elites who implement policies but don't necessarily create them, even though the Manhattan Project was allegedly conceived there.

As far as hiding underground, that will only be an option for the Elite. When all hell breaks loose, the Elite have their underground bunkers to protect them. They actually have underground cities, and these are spread out all across the country and are found in other countries as well. These were built by the big Military-Industrial Complex corporations like RAND and Raytheon, who have nuclear boaring machines that can boar through as much as six miles of rock per hour. The underground city under Mount Weather in Virginia is part of the public record as existing, but it's nothing compared to some of the newer facilites out west, such as the massive facility under the Denver airport.

The only way this could be stopped is if enough people realized what was going on and decided to do something. One of the last things stopping them is the fact that 60 million Americans are gun owners.

At this point, they have the public so dumbed-down and preoccupied with lust for everything material that most people simply do not care and don't want the truth. Many people are starting to wake up, but for any real change to come about, people are going to have to stop taking sides and joining teams, and unite to stop this. The noose is tightening and time is running out.

 

EXCELLENT QUESTION!

The reason for this is because for the past 200+ years, Americans have been simply used as tools to build their global empire up. So they give the people freedom and democracy and a sense of prosperity, so they would work efficiently towards the betterment of what they believe is "their" nation. This coincides with a lot of the nationalism and patriotism that has been given for the public to follow, to instill in their minds a certain ideal to aspire to, truly believing it's theirs.

Now that Americans (humans in general) have served their purpose in building this system, they no longer have use for us. We have seen this especially in this country as most of our manufacturing jobs have been sent to China. We are now entering a post-industrial era, which was really written about decades ago by people like Zbigniew Brzezinski and Jacques Attali, who spearheaded the European Union. We are now beginning to see the erosion of the Middle Class. Now the Elite view humans as more of a burden than anything else, and this is why they are such strong advocates of population reduction. They want to reduce the world's population by 80-90%, and this has been discussed openly by these elites.

The end game of this Elite is to create a new utopia on earth, with only enough people (slaves) to serve this new system. There is an esoteric religion behind this agenda, which is the religion behind the Kaballah and high Freemasonry.

 

Check out "Illuminati 2" on google video. It's the scariest movie I've seen since The Exorcist. (it's a documentary tho)
There's no doubt they're getting ready to "come out of the closet".

 

id like to know more about this religon.

where they warship molosk**?
but it goes higher than the Grove.
are the cathloics involved?
what about the new pope?
behind the kaballah? jews?

you talked about TPTB printing money. how they just create wealth. doesnt there have to be some kind of tactile source to base the paper on? i thought that was the idea behind fort knox, our money represents the gold, only as much money in circulation as there was gold. but no... who changed that... FDR? thats right, did 'they' have their hands in that too?

i know this is kind of off topic, kind of,
is there a nazi base on the moon?

again, off topic, but...
john kerry avidly fought the cia in the iran-contra hearings. why? it seems dealing drugs to fund for secret wars would be his cup of tea.

 

Yes, all those groups are involved to some degree. There are many front groups the Elite use to forward their agenda. It's not just the Zionists or the Jesuits... it's all these groups and more. The the top, it's just a few families who control virtually everything, who use these various groups to forward their agenda.

The Elite at the highest levels believe they themselves are gods who have the natural right to rule over the profane (the people). They have a very Hinduistic/Brahmanistic belief system, where they believe they are reincarnated and born into these Elite families with the right to rule over the masses the see as inferior to them. It's really a belief system coupled with an Elite breeding program.

Our money used to be backed by gold. It's no longer backed by gold and it hasn't been for quite a long time. We don't even know if the gold is still at Fort Knox as it has never been audited. If it is still there, it doesn't belong to the American people but the international bankers who have been allowed to print our money out of nothing.

I highly doubt that. Sounds like the kind of disinformation that is put out there to mislead people and discredit those seeking the truth. Same with all this reptilian nonsense.

Well, John Kerry is a fraud and he actually did more to cover up the Iran-Contra scandal than anything. The truth had already come out and John Kerry was used to give the illusion he was exposing what was really happening, when in fact he was really only releasing bits and pieces of truth so people wouldn't catch on to the big picture, which is that the corruption involved members of both parties and extended to the highest levels of government.

 

wow.​

i hear nasa is made up of high degree masonites too, using space exploration to further the plans of the illuminati. whats the deal with the moon landing? i hear its been faked because of alien civilizations on the moon, some radiation around the earth, making it impossible to leave the atmosphere, or just that we wanted to show up the commies. i also think it a little strange that we send probes to jupiter but havent been to the moon in what, almost 30 years? ​

but the nazi's did have the UFO looking spacecraft. and im not positave, but didnt Tesla create an anti-gravity machine for the nazi's? i know they used his coils as weapons. and hitler was into the occult, was he a mason, or just an illuminati pawn?​

and for the reccord, david ike is either the stupidest basterd in the world, or an illuminite to spread outragous claims so they can bad mouth us all as 'conspiritors'. is seeking the truth really a conspiricy?

 

The moon landing was faked to dupe the American people into getting behind the space program so they would be willing to shell out the tax money to fund it, believing it's what they tell us it's for. NASA has really very little to do with space exploration and everything to do with the Elite's control over space and the weaponization of space (ie. the Star Wars program), along with the addition of satellites that can track and locate every person wherever they are on earth.

If we did land on the moon, it wasn't in 1969 and it was done without our knowing. It's unlikely we could have landed on the moon in '69, however, because of the Van Allen belt, as well as the fact that the space suits that were being worn were not enough to protect the astronauts from the extreme temperatures and radiation on the moon.

The nazis did have several flying disks, and yes, NASA was created by nazis who were illegally smuggled into the US following WW II as part of Project Paperclip.

 

Scary thing about Icke is that he speaks so much truth in the most eloquent way I've ever heard. Then suddenly (according to many) he talks about lizard beings or some equivalent thereof. Maybe he's the antichrist in sheep's clothing. haha.

 

what is the deal with that reptilian crap?

ive heard some bizarre theorys, but this takes the cake.
is it based on any actual information though?

 

No, it's used to discredit the people seeking the truth and sending them off in the wrong direction.