marijuana and higher guidance

Hi I wanted to ask about the effects of marijuana on the energy system.

I went to a trusted psychic for a reading a few weeks back and her guides (very intelligent guides such as Oden the Norse god) told me, amongst other things that I need to "get the pot out of my head". I've been told this by Oden before and in his own words "I KNOW you will not find your bliss unless you quit". This kind of bothered me because, well, I love the plant..

However, I haven't smoked since that reading and I'd really like to know why I've been told to quit. It didn't really surprise me seeing as how all yogis,saints,healers can't do drugs or drink, and I think healing is a part of my path, I'm just curious.

It's also difficult to just up and quit because I do enjoy it's affects so much. I'm also wondering that if marijuana is a drug inhibiting spiritual energy and insight then what does that say about the drug culture in this world nowadays..

everybody gets high...


Thanks for any insight. Much love <3

 

A spiritual being is a free being, a being who can be at peace with the moment ... any moment, that they find themselves in, or at least be ok with it without reaching for the crutches which distract from that moment. Sex, drugs and shopping are probably the most common ... they offer momentary relief from the tension and stress and unease in our busy mind dominated lives, indeed they offer momentary relief from our mind and compulsive thinking and for a while our 'problems' dissolve. - But it doesn't make our 'problems' permanently dissapear and can actually make them worse ... 'use' of these distractions can turn into an addiction to these distractions where sex can become unfulfilling and empty, getting high occasionally can turn into something where we're stoned all the time and become socially inept, low on energy and irritable .. not to mention spending too mutch of our hard earned cash on something that really isn't helping. And shopping ... the debt people can get into (with drugs also). So an excess of anything can make what could be really enjoyable ... into something really unenjoyable, and we begin to resent ourselves, feel guilt and shame ect, because we can begin to identify ourselves with these behaviours and feel crap about ourselves.
Ok i'm stating the obvious. There's nothing 'wrong' with sex, getting high and shopping except when it becomes excessive and destructive. The mind out of guilt will try to compensate by going to the other extreme of trying to give up all these things totally and one may get stuck in denial, ... trying to become all pure and healthy but all too often the individual finds this impossible. So the first step as far as i can see after realising a dependence or addiction is to 'allow' all these behaviours, whatever they may be, so we don't keep going from one extreme to the other. Then one can begin to find some moderate, healthy (ish) behaviour where one is not in either dependence and addiction or denial.
This is all psychology and i havn't even touched on the spiritual yet because the spiritual is beyond all of it. Your essence identity of spirit has nothing to do with the identity your mind creates around all this stuff. There is nothing you have to 'do' to realise your spiritual nature, but if you have ambitions of healing or energy work or whatever in the outer world and your life situation then it is beneficial to become less dense energetically and more calm and focused in order to do that job better. There are plenty of healers who smoke and drink and do pretty well at what they do ... they just don't smoke and drink mutch, they keep their energy field in a fairly non toxic state and their thoughts and beliefs contribute a great deal towards that also.
Maybe someone else can add or expand or give their own view ... my supper is ready
I also want to talk a bit more later about our endocannabinoid system and why humans have a particular affinity with cannabis use ... mainly as a mood regulator.
There's also the question of social identity.

 

some of the following was stated mentioned in the above post but i wanted to related the ideas to my own understanding. i am a novice in energy type stuff but so far this is my opinion on the matter:

i think that humans have a natural longing to feel something "deeper", having to do with everyday experience. some try to fill this void with religion and others with drugs, with the idea of attaining a "higher" level of awareness or conciousness. the problem that i see, is the belief that we, as humans, must rely on external forces in order to achieve actualization. it is my belief that this void cannot be filled by drugs or religion, although we have been conditioned to believe such things.
The first real step in filling this void permanently is understanding the extent of internal human capacity, the mind body connection, or the power of the soul. if a human cannot control the emotions that he or she is addicted to, then these emotions (and the stimuli that cause them) will in the end enslave them. meditation and self-regulation are key in obtaining a steady flow of internal energy. if the body is tied to the distractions and the addictions of the mind, then the soul cannot rest. when the soul flows smoothly, then the internal energy stream can grow accordingly. the soul cannot rest under an addiction.

 

I'm gonna change tack and leave what i was gonna say for another day.

I often think that going to see psychics one can leave with more questions than you come away with, and that some things they tell you ring true and some just don't.

Ask yourself some questions;
Why is this psychic percieved as 'trusted'?
Does 'trusted' mean that she speaks or channels absolute truth?
Because one her spirit guides is called Odin does this mean he speaks absolute truth?
Why should one believe any of it?
Why will you not find bliss unless you quit?
Does ego, sense of self, and wanting have anything to do with it?
Do you think you could find your bliss right now if you were to percieve things differently?
Do you think finding bliss is directly and singularly connected to whether you enjoy smoking pot or not smoking pot?

- For me, my bliss, my joy and my love is in realising who i really am and in realising i can love and enjoy all these things but not NEED them. (i'm talking from past experience which was lost but returning) - That's 'letting go of the world' or 'being in the world but not of it' So it's not about the act of smoking and getting high ... you can do that, it's about the dependency and mental atatchment and identity atatchment.
When i talk of 'sense of self' ,.. it's just an expression, - I'm not talking about 'self' as in egoic identity i'm just talking about who it is you believe yourself to be, and a good or sound sense of self is 'knowing who you really are' ... an identity mutch more deeply rooted in spirit. When one knows who one really is, as in their core identity as spirit then these issues get a little clearer and become somewhat less important. Jesus said 'Know thyself' and he also said "First seek the kingdom of heaven." ... the emphasis being on 'first'.
- without that 'spiritual sense of self' we tend to operate from our egoic identity ... a false sense of self and we give up one thing only for it to be replaced by another and so on. So it's kind of getting beyond this stuff so we can see it all in a whole new light and thing's get clearer, simpler, and atatchments don't seem so burdensome and we just find we don't NEED all these things anymore because we are not seeking ourself in them, not deriving our identity from them ... yet we can still love and enjoy them.

 

listen to your body, not an external entity

 

That's it. Really you need to be tuning into yourself for the answers. The rest of us are on our own trips and liable to lead you astray.

There are no "priests" on this forum. Your exeperiences are apprehended directly and cogently.

Tell US what is what, from your viewpoint?

 

zen, i think rygoody was refering to the 'trusted psychic' and her guides, not us on this forum.

...speak for yourself, you've just belittled any wisdom and experience of everyone here. Every human being is potentially a channel and can and will be used as such. - If one is led astray by peoples advise it can be a learning experience, we don't learn mutch by never going astray. Again it comes back to 'buyer beware'.

 

Sorry liquidlight. Once again, my post was TUI - talking under the influence. I just now re-read my own post and don't remember writing any of it - even though at this moment I'm under the influence of somewhere close to 8 to 10 shots of vodka.

But please don't take any of this personally. I'm with you, too.

I'm just thinking that maybe some part of me realized that Mac needs to connect with his own source, and not be reliant on outside opinions.

Or maybe I'm just fucked, LL. Whatever...this is my contribution for now, such as it is.

Ego, LL. Mine as well as yours. It's a constant battle. The best course is to blow ALL of it off, and take what comes.

 

Sure, i understand zen, .. it's no biggie ... no love lost.

I never like it when people speak for others, or misrepresent others or any of that because we really can only speak for ourselves and our own experience and outlook... to do otherwise is presumtious. There are times (not all the time) when i have indeed felt like a priest, ... of course i refer to that time particularly when my ego was shattered and i looked on everyone without distinction ...as a part of me. When i fully understood the human condition (that of ego) and that to judge others is to judge oneself. Everything became impersonal ... that to single out and point blame in individuals is pointless, and actually unloving ... and so forgivness for the individual and oneself comes forth; we're all in the same boat together.
And since that time and even now i can still sometimes come a little closer to that understanding and be reminded. So in short, sometimes i actually do feel like a priest, yes.

... and it did cross my mind that you might have had a few bevvies

Yes, and i don't think anyone here is disagreeing with that ... it needs to come from him and not another. It's so easy to take on board and be led by the advise of psychics and clairvoyants, particularly when we feel needy and we go to people like this looking for answers; I've done it myself a few times and make a concerted effort not to do that anymore because, in my experience anyway, for as mutch good advise and reassurance they can offer, they can also tell you things which really throw a spanner in the works - we like to think their advise is sound but as long as we listen to them as an outside source, we not finding our own inner source ... which could say something to the contrary depending on our level of understanding and development. It's not that they are wholy 'wrong' sometimes, but i feel that 'spirit guides' can lack a human perspective ... any advise needs to come in relative terms to the person involved ... into the human spheer. Ultimates can wait until we naturally grow towards actually understanding them. We get there bit by bit.

No it doesn't have to be a battle if we can see that ego is natural and normal ...and just because we can disagree sometimes doesn't necessarily mean it's all based in overly defensive/attacking, ego based conciousness. Everyone is allowed to defend their point of view and say their piece ... we can still do that without it being ego based;ego based meaning that it becomes more important than it's relative worth .. that it matters to us if we are 'right' and that we 'win'.

Anyway, Mac was asking for opinions ... what are we gonna tell him? Nothing? And i didn't advise him to take my opinions on board as advise. I'm just giving my opinions.... food for thought. What he takes from anything we all say is up to him.

 

Mac, i've loved smoking pot for a long long time. Who doesn't like the effects of getting high?! (well apparently some don't! ... maybe they're crazy i don't know). Maybe i liked it too mutch because i smoked an aweful lot at times and found i wasn't very disciplined ... i'd often run out and simply go get some more ... like a train that never stopped. I think it's fine personally if one can just have the odd smoke sometimes ... because that doesn't represent a dependency or anything destructive; It's when we can't live without it that i see problems arising... like any other dependency or addiction.
I've only just given up smoking weed myself and it took a long time coming. most peoples experience seems to be that they enjoy it and don't wish to stop enjoying it ... it's a cultural, lifestyle thing too ... drug culture. Yet alot of people after years and years of smoking it realise it has become a burden and a crutch and a waste of good money which would be better spent elsewhere, coupled with the fact that in my country anyway it's illegal and after two convictions myself i would not wish to go to jail for any length of time. I'm not going to martyr myself for this plant because it will likely be around anyway after humans are all gone. Yes i love the plant, but does it love me?

I won't write about the endocannabinoid system, it's take too long and i'm hardly an expert, you can research it on the web and there's stuff on utube. But as an introduction ... our bodies produce endocannabinoids which are stored in our body tissue in the same way as cannabinoids. They regulate all the systems in our bodies ...endocrine, respiratory, circulatory ... everything; you name it, endocannabinoids regulate it and keep it in balance, including regulating the neurotransmitters we produce which regulate our moods. The way i see it we can upset the natural production of our own internal production of endocannabinoids by using cannabinoids from an external source (ie, smoking cannabis). Although i also believe that if we cannot produce enough of our own endocannabinoids ourselves then we may go looking elsewhere to the cannabis plant because it's the only plant out there which produces cannabinoids.
I think this is why humans like cannabis so mutch.

 

I am going to have to come back and read this thread after I finish something. But I did want to post to the original poster.

I cannot speak for everyone but can only speak from experience. I am a bit divided on this topic...or any of the psychedelic drugs. I have found that when I have smoked pot I slow down enough to see life as it truly is(or at least how I perceive it to be) instead of just reacting to a bunch of stimulus. My senses slow to the point of being able to feel my emotional energy much more clearly than otherwise. I feel more connected and at one.

However, I have felt this through meditative practice too. Not always. However I have gone to a retreat for a weekend and by the time I left there I was vibrating higher than I ever could with the denseness of pot. I have done the MC(master cleanser) several times and by the end of the 10 days I feel very intune.

I feel it with pot and I feel it when I jump headfirst into some detoxing or meditation. Or just plain having fun creates that high for me as well.

For me, pot has been a gateway. And its like a counseling session with myself. I have some of my greatest insights while under the influence. I've had some of my best healing as well. Crying my eyeballs out in relief and gratitude. However, at the same time, sometimes I get paranoid on it. Sometimes I get fixated and blocked in a state of anxiety. I think this is where it can be tricky.

I don't believe in anyone being able to tell me what I should and should not do unless they are aware of my personal history and have walked in my shoes. Otherwise it seems judgemental and it doesn't feel like they see into me but rather only see their set of biasis and prejudices.

 

Well I sure appreciate the feedback!

I too have too jet in a second,I think i wasn't quite prepared for such magnificent responses..

But real quick, let me first off say that maybe I led you guys to believe i was much more into weed than I really am. I actually haven't even bought a sack since i was 18 (im 21). Im also not at all addicted to it...I'm really not an addictive person. I tend to only smoke when it's around (parties, friends etc..) I never seek it out because i fully realize i dont need it. I completely understand why to stay in a sound and balanced vibratory state one shouldn't smoke or do other things. i think someone mentioned being "dense". Oden mentioned that the first time i spoke with him. He told me that my energy in this world is so sensitive that substances "bring me down" in a way. I have a lot of third eye energy that brings me away from the material world and when i smoke i feel a lot more grounded. I think that has always been my draw to it. Its kind of a weird paradox how it grounds me yet in th elong run makes it harder to tune into my own energy and ground myself..

I too believe that bliss can be experienced in the here and now with nothing to aid us, I've always known this, i was just curious to see what you guys thought about the effects of the drug.

and liquid as far as trusting psychics and guides i almost have to put their words before myself...I am not a seasoned meditator and finding inner guidance is exremely difficult for me most of the time. I am truly blessed to be friends with the lady who channels oden and other spirits. they have given me very good information about my life in the past and seeing as how they are extremely intellegent beings its hard to not take their word for it, (although sometimes their answers are a teeny bit vague)

I have to get out of here but i'll be back to discuss more later..

thanks yall!

 

Cannabis is a double-edged spirit; enlightening, and stupefying. Calming, and terrifying. Sometimes you are too much in one side of it and it's time for a break. Take 2 months off and see how you feel.

If you can't take 2 months off then you are not doing cannabis, cannabis is doing you.

 

Very concise! Now why couldn't i put it so simply! I like to talk However i feel also that as mutch as it's the cannabis 'doing you' it's also your mind and thinking 'doing you'.

Well i'm not a 'seasoned' meditator either ... i meditate in little ways and often just sit in silence and just 'calm' my mind.
The main problem with our inner guidance is understanding what it's saying and trusting in it, yes? It's good to remember that we are never 'cut off' or separate from our inner guidance ... indeed it is what we are, in the sense that we often think we are separate from spirit or the source of life when in fact we ARE spirit and the source of life.
The mind can be a real tyrant at times, ... making stuff up like it does!

Actually the idea of spirit guides always confounds me ... who are they?! I can totally understand channeling 'the source' ... but spirit guides?

 

Why not ask your own spirit guides?

the guide may just be named Odin, or called that by the psychic, but does that mean he's as wise as the Norse God Odin?

I think it (weed) is more of a doorway than a hallway. I mean, it can help you open your mind and expand your horizons, but don't think it's the weed putting you there. You need to learn how to meditate, communicate, etc. without it's assistance first.

 

Everyone on earth incarnates into the world with at least one spirit guide, sometimes more. i have two.Basically spirit guides or angels which are, hm, how should i explain...they are entities, energetic, spiritual entities with a high level of intellegence. By intellegence i mean knowing or information. Do see what i mean? its kind of a crazy concept but its not complete bull.

And the spirit ive talked to IS the actual Oden. Oden was a norsemen who achieved christ conciousness and when he left his body he became the spirit still called "oden" really he just a high level guide, very close to god

 

my spirit guide is a little devil on me shoulder telling me to get into as much mischief as humanly possible

 

Well, after posting last night i went to bed asking for my guides (whatever that may mean) to talk to me .. to explain something about themselves and who they are. I had a dream about being in Glasgow with a big wad of money in my pockets (it was really visible and i was wary of being mugged) ... but no guides as such.

I've met some goddesses in my dreams ... the cow goddess who is representative of god the mother, ... the Egyptians have a long line of cow goddesses, namely 'mehet weret' which means 'The Nile in the heavens' (the milky way). She is the same as Isis and Hathor and there are others belonging to this line of goddesses ... different names throughout the Egyptian Era ... same goddess.

Also there's the 'triple goddess' ... she could be called 'Brighid' (British and western European with all manner of different names) or Hekate (she gets a bad rap as a goddess of witches) originally a Turkish goddess of light and the flame, a hearth goddess, the greeks adopted her. her triple aspect represents the upper, middle and lower worlds and also the three phases of life and the moon so in this sense she's a fate goddess and a 'guide in the darkness'.

So, i do have guides ... but i never saw them as 'spirits' ... more as aspects of myself ... spiritual energies which i give form and name to. I guess that's what myth is all about.

Moving on, ...i had a christ experience when i was 27, (the same thing as my 'death' experience, or 'kundalini' experience.... i usually call it my 'death' experience because it sounds less 'high brow' and generally sounds more interesting and has more shock value LOL). ...oh dear, i laugh but it wasn't funny.
Within that experience i found myself to be 'spirit', without form ... i was simply awareness or conciousness free from form as form became transparent and i could 'move about' (in the sense of being omnipresent) and 'know anything i wished to know' ... and within that experience i 'met the light' ... merged with the light, and i felt myself within that light which was also love (like myself speaking to myself)... but i had no identity ... i was just 'spirit'.
Afterwards i seriously wondered if i was Jesus to have have such an experience (luckily i never told anyone at the time) but soon discovered in reading, about the 'christ experience' or 'christ conciousness' ... so of course, i wasn't Jesus after all.
I have wondered all these years about that light and what or whom it is. My experience of being 'spirit' has led me to believe that when you die, or when your egoic mind dies, that you simply merge with spirit, with all that is ... that there is no plural of spirit ... no individual spirits. All is one, or more accurately perhaps, all is one and none.
However that experience, according to the 'light' that i became and which spoke to me ...was a glimpse of my potential, a forunner to what 'could be' ... it said to me;
"well done, you've learned to love but you can't stay here (in this state of 'heaven'), you must go back and if you treat your body like a temple this will be possible for you."

For a long time i've been wary and distrusting of that light and what it said because my mind can't understand it. Maybe it is my guide, maybe it is 'the christ' ... who knows but this discussion has been timely. If i am to trust that light ... i don't know what it will take?, ... a whole lot of faith i guess, .... something which led to that experience in the first place.

I've read of individuals attaining a 5th dimensional state of 'lightbody' but i find it so hard to understand. At the time of that experience, when i was 27 i was at rockbottom, traumatised by my experiences, riddles with aches and pains and illness, totally addicted to everything. Yet i know i somehow remained true to myself throughout the preceeding couple of years which i feel in fact kind of 'prepared' me for that, surrender.

Maybe, just maybe, if i do have a true guide, that light is it. These mythical gods and goddesses i feel are representative, in an astral way of the source perhaps. Those goddesses in my dreams never really told me anything, although they have given me comfort and reassurance.
My mind can't understand what can't be understood by the mind... that's my problem. I need to let go of that.

 

Yes, the modern human is shackled to the designs of the prefrontal cortex, which came into being around what? Fifty thousand years ago or so...

LL, you seem to have a unique and highly specialized path.

I thought I was "Christ" once...gave away everything I owned, set out on the road to...wherever...

All IS one and none..."everything was made from nothing, but sometimes the nothing shows through..."

I'm distrustful of the light also...and clinging to the darkness, to a large degree. To reject the darkness would be a mistake, it would be rejecting part of myself. And the goal is to integrate ALL parts of myself, including the darkness. To love and accept every aspect of my being, thereby becoming integrated and whole.

...

 

I've said before about that experience that i wasn't sure if my egoic old self identity (who i thought i was) died or if my body died (in which case my egoic identity would also die). I HAD been on a pretty self destructive course, 'K' had come to hate me and i hated myself because of it, my self worth in ruins, i simply didn't understand why ...from her thinking i was the best and greatest to her seemingly turning against me and hating me ... yet there was nothing i could see that i had done or not done for her to do so? It's as if she suddenly went insane, - I know she had alot of fear in her, and i know that 'Fear colours darkly'. I loved her so mutch it was excruciatingly painful not being with her. Yet i still felt loved ... it 'felt' to me as if she really did love me but couldn't admit it to herself ... that she would rather blame me and hate me and punish me rather than take responsibilty for her choices and her part in our painful breakup... as i then began to do, we had both accused eachother of cheating and had both said some cruel and hurtful things to eachother ... i guess that's all it took for her 'love' to turn to hate.
I felt a tendency to hurt and hate her back, but i just couldn't and over the months afterwards i fought myself internally with this and began to realise that this 'her' who was hating me wasn't real ... that it was the product of mind and misunderstanding, and that the love i was feeling was coming from beyond and from within.
- There had been a huge misunderstanding between us and i saw we had both got caught up in what i now know is called ego ... the false self. That love i felt ... was coming from the true self and it was likely loving her as mutch as it was loving me.
So this was what i turned to and it grew and gradually i began to understand that there is a love of spirit which inhabits and cares for us both.
As far as 'who i thought i was', my mind, and now because of what had happened, my self loathing which led to the self destructiveness ... i knew i had to somehow STOP, and start again. Whatever it was it needed to end.
The next year was extremely hard and painful, riddled with panic attacks and incessant weeping, my emotions took me over as i searched deeper and deeper for the truth and some kind of resolution and closure to it all. The more i understood our egoic nature and the human condition, and that these mind made identitys and personalitys of ours were in fact not real, not the truth of ourselves. The more things got easier ... "Understanding is the path to true love".
So i began to understand and wake from unconciousness, and that's pretty mutch my story of it, but did true love come too late? Well maybe almost....

Eckhart sais this about the death of the physical form:

Well, i didn't lose conciousness after the meeting with the light, ... i explored an experience of spirit and it's omnipresence, of auras and multi-dimensionality until the experience eventually faded back to 'normal' waking conciousness. Then i stood up and with my hands i intuitively smoothed my hands from my chest to my groin area, as if pushing and energy back down to where it came from.
At the onset of that whole experience, just before the light i was feeling what felt like a large metal ball bearing right up my ass, ... perhaps the sensation of some wierd muscle spasm? Indeed it was reminiscent at the time of a 'rattlesnake' with it's flickering motion, and this is one huge clue to me that what i experienced that night could also be called a full blown 'kundalini' experience, where the 'snake that lies coiled and sleeping at the base of the spine', awakens and burns it's way up through the chakras, clearing all blocks in it's path to reach it's 'home' and true identity ... or something like that.
Did the 'kundalini', earth energy 'save me' and revive me from what could have been physical death?
I don't know and i shall not dwell on trying to know.

I am the master ... of convoluted sentences!