Man facing 13 years in prison for writing "anti Bank" messages in chalk

Discussion in 'Politics' started by StpLSD25, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. outthere2

    outthere2 Senior Member

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    I see no malicious intent there.

    Washable chalk is not graffitti.

    Nothing was damaged.

    Nothing was destroyed.

    Chalk is water soluble.
     
  2. odonII

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    It looks like it's technically defacement.
    He defaced the sidewalk. Nothing has to be destroyed.
    That is why it's Deface, Destroy or Damage.
    Defacement is a type of vandalism.
    I'd rather not use such words like 'vandalism', though.
    The law states you can not deface property that is not your own. Which is where the whole: 'Yeah, they will be locking kids up next' comes in *snooze*
    The point is, people are taken to court under the California code I posted /end.

    Argue the point till you are blue in the face - it aint gonna change

    Posted on 29 September 2011.
    http://www.copblock.org/8530/a-moment-of-clarity-for-chalk/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mIZszPyK78"]"The Police Are On The Wrong Side At The Occupy Wall Street Protests" - MOC #79 - YouTube
     
  3. SunshineChild

    SunshineChild Mad Scientist

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    ahh he was acquitted what do ya know? Real injustice I tell ya!

    People around here obviously have not spent much time researching the legal system odon.
     
  4. deviate

    deviate Senior Member

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    Chalk is NOT graffiti to all of you lovers of overbearing gov't and laws.. and to argue that it is defacement is grasping for straws, seeing as how it will be back to normal at the first rainfall or even from foot traffic. Deface to me implies permanent damage that will require human labor to reverse.

    By that logic, every suburban kid should be arrested. And every person that spits on the sidewalk or walks on 'public' grass or litters should be charged under that section of the law.

    Maybe we should just start caning people?
     
  5. SunshineChild

    SunshineChild Mad Scientist

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    well that's what happened to me but I was a rural kid. What you got against us rural kids? I hate government more than you bro. I'm just saying it's a simple concept. If you don't get it, you don't get it, it's ok, just read it over a few times until you do. I believe in you man.
     
  6. deviate

    deviate Senior Member

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    Come talk to me about all of this when your balls drop. Maybe by the time you're 25? 27?
     
  7. SunshineChild

    SunshineChild Mad Scientist

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    You have such ostensible wisdom, too bad ya can't share it. I believed in ya too. And why are you talking about my balls? Creepy
     
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  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    It is very handy to be able to interpret any law any way you want.
    You think someone would write them down somewhere.

    But on to free speech infringement.....
    My wife was exercising her right to free speech one time by posting a yard sale sign on a telephone pole. Before she got the last staple in the bankers had sent a state police trooper over to investigate.
    He asked her if she owned the telephone pole. She said no, but this is a free country and whatever amendment it is protects her right to free speech. Which includes telling the public about her yard sale. The trooper said you are defacing private property, and my wife said it's a public utility pole and the staples and sign will be removed on Sunday. And it's not defacing anyway, and she should know better than some rookie state trooper that can't even get a desk job.
    The trooper said you better remove it. My wife said you work for me, the public, not the other way around....Bud.

    Then the liberal, communist, fascist, NWO, PUNK, punched her in the face, threw her to the ground, and stomped on her.
    I think he would have raped her also, for good measure, but there was some traffic going by.

    She's doing life with no parole now cause the judge was an activist pig who is heavily invested in AT&T.

    True story, this country sucks.
     
  10. odonII

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    SunshineChild
    Perhaps not. Perhaps it's just an attempt to turn this into a 'constitutional battle about free speech' - which elevates this minor infraction into something more grandiose. Looking at the link I posted, it isn't the first time this (chalking) has been an issue.

    deviate

    Well, it looks like Penal Code Section 594.2 covers chalk.
    But it doesn't cover defacement - which is a form of vandalism.

    Penal Code Section 594.1 seems to cover a child drawing on the side-walk for hopscotch etc.

    (4) This subdivision shall not apply to the furnishing of six
    ounces or less of etching cream or an aerosol container of paint to a
    minor for the minor's use or possession under the supervision of the
    minor's parent, guardian, instructor, or employer.
    (5) Etching cream, aerosol containers of paint, or related
    substances may be furnished for use in school-related activities that
    are part of the instructional program when used under controlled and
    supervised situations within the classroom or on the site of a
    supervised project. These containers may not leave the supervised
    site and shall be inventoried by the instructor. This use shall
    comply with Section 32060 of the Education Code regarding the safe
    use of toxic art supplies in schools.

    Littering is a separate issue.
    I'm sure somebody has said: 'Yeah, but how can it be littering if it's biodegradable?'

    It doesn't matter what it implies to you or me.
    But, it looks like that is why they added: Destroy and Damage.
    Neither of which he did.
    Say it didn't rain for weeks?
    It would probably take a week or so for human traffic to obliterate it.
    However, it isn't a question of how long it is there for in this particular case, it seems.
    It's the act of doing it in the first place that seems to be the issue.

    I guess the law has to be a net rather than a bucket.

    He's a free man.

    I think we can all agree it was a monumental waste of time.
     
  11. outthere2

    outthere2 Senior Member

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    ... a simple to understand concept yet unbelieved by indoctrinated corporate tools.
     
  12. Bouga

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    Wow. I wonder what the courts would do to all those idiots who tag everything in San Diego. I'd rather see something that was meant to spread a message rather than some idiots attempt to claim territory.
     
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    Common sense prevails.
     

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