ok I'm an old schooler to let ya know. I never knew or cared how it was made, but I use to do the real sandoz acid back in the late 60s and 70s until what! it seems the main chemical went ... whoknows.. so they imitated the chemical with whoknowswhat shit and it just was never the same. It seems to me know one today really got high and acid. It's some strange rearrangement of chemicals to imitate the real thing. Fuck this shit today, at least shrooms don't change in mans hands, thats why shrooms are theanswer (but get the good ones on the west coast , shit I forget the strain at the moment but they are the most potent and I use to buy it easily by the ... I'm done... This was about how phony lsd is today
I dont Know ! Have not taken any for 40 Years ( mostly Microdots in those days ) I remember It being Pretty scary sometimes though perhaps the New stuff just had the Horrors Taken out of it
Nah, I was still doing it in the late 90's and it just felt dirty and weak. You'd need a whole strip to get off. I gotta friend who preaches the benefits of ayahuasca, but I don't think I can do that hallucinogenic shit anymore. I wander off and forget where I am.
I haven't done acid for so long ago. The last time I forget it might have been the 90s. and yea Mallyboppa I think your right they took the horror out of it, which is what it was about. It just seemed so phony and a wannabe. and like WonderlostVW73 said - weak. thanks guys for sayin, saves me from trying and hating. I'll stick to the real stuff that you can pick out of the ground
There are 'research chemicals' being sold as LSD that are in fact not LSD. One of which is dangerous and has been known to kill at one dose. Family acid is still good, last I had some. This was at least 10 years ago, not sure what's brewing these days.
Real LSD is still around, however there are many novel chemicals that are about as potent as LSD, carried on the same mediums and have a lot of the same effects. Some of them are quite a bit cheaper than street Acid, so that, and perhaps accessibility are likely main reasons why people are drawn to some of these random chems. I've done a few different ones, some are definitely better than others and some are closer to LSD than others.
Oh geez, another one. No,LSD-25 is LSD-25, there is no imitation. A few facts may straighten your view out a bit. 1: compared to other similar substances, LSD is actually relatively easy to make and is more profitable. The major roadblock is acquiring the raw materials. If LSD can be made, it is financially unfeasible to produce some other substance. What makes some of the "research chems" so cheap is the ready access to raw materials and different laws concerning their production and sale in other countries. A lot of research chems come out of China and similar places where research chems are still legal. 2: the LSD doses in the 60's -early '70's were on average ~250 ugs, (Orange Sunshine clocked in at a whopping 300ugs) easily twice the needed effective dose. As a result many people ended up in the ER freaking out, so the producers, Owsley, The Brotherhood, etc. lowered the average dose to around 150ugs and then further down to the 75ugs-150ugs doses common today and for the last few decades. so what you are assuming is fake LSD is more than likely a smaller dose than you got in the 60's, it is that simple. LSD acts very differently at different thresholds and 150ugs is a totally different experience than 300ugs. I have sampled LSD from early 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's, this current decade I haven't come across any lately, but every time, LSD-25 for sure, just that the amout of LSD in each hit has decreased considerably over the years. You can still find good stuff around, mostly coming out of Europe now. The LSD that Pickard, (the biggest LSD producer so far in history) was top-notch LSD and it flooded North America and the rest of the world for years in the 90's. so all your hoopla about LSD is just you expressing your lack of knowledge concerning it, nothing more. Mushrooms can be like psychedelic roulette as there is no true consistency of potency with them. But the shorter duration is a plus. I personally have had much more "difficult" experiences with shrooms much, much more so than with LSD.
Noxious, there are several Lysgeramides Research Chemicals out available now in the same family as LSD-25 such as 1P-LSD, LSM, AL-LAD, LSZ and this is not even getting into the NboXX series of chems such as 25I-nbome, 25C-nbome, 25B-Nbome, 25I-Nboh, . I can't speak in regards to decades ago, most these chems are newer, but you'd have to be really ignorant to think that these chems don't make their rounds passed off as LSD.
that's not what I said, is it? I am aware of the research chems being passed off as LSD, we have seen enough folks report about here. What I pointed out is the reason we see a prevalence of them today is a matter of finances and law. The raw materials are easier to procure and the production is done in countries with no laws against it. If the same held true for LSD, I'm willing to bet we would see more actual LSD-25 around then research chems. The OP's claim that it is all fake is ludicrous and that is what I was addressing. Further I'm willing to bet the OP's experience is exactly what I stated, he just got low doses of LSD compared to what he had gotten in the past. Most of the chems being passed off as LSD have come to light in the last 15 years or less, so the likley hood that the OP encountered any prior to the mid 90's is slim. The majority of the world and certainly the world of drug users didn't even know about these substances until after 1991 when PiHKAL was published and then again more came to light in '97 with the release of TiHKAL, again casting great doubt that the OP encountered any of these substances, they simply were not around except in Shulgin's lab. And the ones that were, ALD-52 for example, when compared to making LSD-25, there was no comparison, LSD is the better choice for making a profit, especially with ALD-52 considering you have to make LSD-25 as precursor for ALD-52, so why bother? Further the only reason why "shrooms don't change in mans hands" is because it is ridiculously expensive to extract psilosybin or to make it synthetically, again simply a matter of economics. Same holds true for mescaline, not economically feasible to produce for mass consumption.
the defense said that it was ALD-52, but considering LSD-25 is a precursor, they lost the case. Orange Sunshine was big orange tablets similar to a big children's chew-able aspirin. blotter didn't really become the norm for delivering LSD until the mid-late 70's. prior to that the majority were various pill forms or gelatin mixtures (windowpane) and liquid. Blotter really only has one virtue going for it as a carrier medium and that is ease of transport and conceal-ability, beyond that it is one of the worst carrier's as it exposes the LSD almost completely to light and oxygen, the two main things that degrade LSD. 300ugs of LSD could easily fit on a blotter. LSD is a very dense crystal, so 300ugs isn't very much at all and could easily be contained in drop of liquid. It simply depends on how saturated of a solution you make prior to laying the blotter. Most go for a solution that will yield 10,000 100ugs doses per gram. to achieve a higher ugs weight per dose, all that needs to be done is adjust the concentration of LSD in solution.
I haven't taken acid in about 15 years. When I was 20 around 2000, I had already decided it wasn't a very good idea for me to keep tripping with the relative frequency with which I had been tripping. So I had already slowed down, but at that point I dropped some hits of a blue-green gelatin. Those were good. Before that there was some stuff going around on plain white blotter that I didn't think too much of and would end up dosing maybe 4 or 5 hits. There was also some sunshine acid with a greenish reddish design on the blotter. Those were okay but I wasn't too impressed. Before that it was aliens. Purple or black aliens had this alien head... I can't find a pic on google or I would post it. Anyway those were the first hits I ever tried. I thought they were good sometimes and not so good others. The point is I think you are mistake by looking at this generation by generation. There have most likely been good batches and bad batches for every generation since people started taking acid. They looked like the logo on this tie dye shirt.
I don't know how old you are or knowledgeable you are or if you got that from wiki. All I know is what I heard and read from way back. My "hoopla" is from what I heard or read. Since a certain date they had to chemically imitate the ergot part of lsd. I'm no chemist but from what I gathered it was a phony acid trip. I only go by what I have done... I have done "real acid" and I have done this what they call acid and it was not even close!
Real LSD still exists trust me why would it not? I hear this so often from older people. Yes there are various other chemicals that a chemist might try to pass of as LSD many of which also requiring a high level of chemistry skill. The appeal being these chemicals are as of now legal so it's safer for them. But espeicly with the Grateful Dead reunion last summer there was a push to have some quality stuff in circulation. The synthesis is still wildly available if you want to know hows its done its online. The only difference between the 60's and now is the DEA which means you have to bribe the right people or be crafty to get your lab equipment and per-cursor chemicals. The thing is today guys like Owsly are long gone. Making it is not about some hippie ideal that the world needs this. A lot of people who deal it see it as money. Back in the day they made sure to make so much of it the market would be flooded. You could not get more then 1 or 2 dollars for a hit. Now those networks control it so it commands a higher price. Also the hits are layed at a lower dose then they once were in general unless those hits are laid for someone the person knows well. This goes back to money I could maybe make a few grand or more extra off a gram of crystal if the hits are 100 mics and not 150 even. Back in the day the standard was that one hit was expected to be more then enough. But so many people lay hits these days and you have to depend on them to decide what a real dose is.
Hey man I haven't got into this for so many years because of what I thought. I guess you're right I'm thinking to far back. You do sound knowledgeable on this topic, Taking acid with strychnine and shit like that is what turned me off. I knew thats what they were using and I gave it up then. So today you are saying it is more "real' than the in-between?
LOL, I very clearly and plainly explain how/why LSD doses changed and that you most likley have just gotten low doses compared to 40 years ago. I explain some of the history/timeline of these changes and the timing of research chemicals coming onto the scene, and you give me "I don't know about what your sayin" reply YET unfocused basically says the exact same thing, and you say "you do sound knowledgeable on this topic" ? LOL My knowledge comes from first had experience and lots of research spanning 40+ years, so yeah, I do know what I'm talking about on this topic and didn't get my info from Wikipedia. here if you question my knowledge. (yes, I am/was PB_smith) http://hubpages.com/health/Medical-Studies-Prove-The-Extensive-Damage-LSD-Does-To-The-Body-Mind and you can do a search here in the psychedelics forum for "PB_Smith" to find a lot more stuff on the topic.
My age is plainly visible on my profile. i have nothing to hide from you. Seriously? why are you threatened by someone with more knowledge about LSD than you possess? should I apologize for having a high enough IQ that I know how to research a topic and understand what I read? Did you look at the link I provided? Did you do a search here for PB_Smith to read some of the many things I have written about concerning psychedelics? whatever, I have no need to prove or justify anything to you. Remain in your ignorance if you choose.
