LSD vs. Magic Shrooms (my experiences)

Hey guys. Long time lurker on these forums but first time post.

Which psychedelic do you guys prefer? Acid or shrooms?

Personally, I prefer shrooms because I feel more connected with people and nature. My thought process isn't as active as LSD. Instead, I seem to be more happy when I'm on shrooms, especially when I'm around people.

Acid is fun, but sometimes, it can get pretty intense. For example, I went to the bathroom once while tripping. When I was washing my hands, I looked at myself in the mirror for a while. I looked and examined my reflection very carefully as if I were a test subject in a lab. Suddenly, I began to see myself age! I saw myself progressively age from my 20's all the way to my death; I'd say my 90's. It was both shocking and enlightening at the same time because that's when I realized we're all bound to die sometime (pretty nihilistic I must say). I know you don't need acid to realize this. I've thought about death a lot sober. But to see yourself age and die like that is a harsh realization. I wasn't scared, I was just seeing the truth in a sense.

Next time I fry, I want to have a spiritual experience. I don't believe in God per say, but there has got to be a greater divine out there. I know some meditation and yoga techniques. Anything else you guys can suggest to have an enlightened spiritual experience will be much appreciated.

(By the way, I'm glad I finally joined this community =)

 

you'll connect with god when you are ready, to rush it is frivolous. it may not even be in this life. but considering the times, it is likely to be in this life.

in a few of my trips i've just completely connected with god during the peak. it's quite amazing and indescribable. just keep learning from your psychadelic experiences, and eventually it will come.

 

No way! It is not nihilistic. It is as beautiful as when you were born! When you die, your body will become food for plants and insects (or maybe fish if at sea, or help fertilize soil if burned and tossed to the wind). No matter where you turn, there is life! Even in death! It's amazing.

Yes, this is the part of acid that makes people freak out and in general makes the experience life changing. You are presented with your mortality as intensely and as closely as your eyelids. I find both from drug communities such as this, and even more concretely from personal experience, that exposure to eastern thought regarding life and death (hinduism, buddhism, taoism) prepares one extremely effectively for the realization.

My advice is not to go into the experience expecting to find something specific. Just go into it expecting to find something. It could very well be the negation of your premise, and you should be ready for that. You may find that in fact there is not anything divine out there.

You mean like Tao or a life force or something like that? Well, I suspected as much before I tried LSD and after doing it I know it's true. But it's not like there's a seperation between "that which is not divine" and "that which is divine". What I realized is that the armpit hair of a homeless man is as sacred and as non-sacred as the most beautiful sculpture in the most beautiful church or temple or mosque. Sacred and Non-Sacred are revealed to be the misnomers that they are.

Things simply are. Any dualistic artificial slicing of reality is simply an exercise in folly and ultimately futility.

Yes! Take more! Double your dose! If you're not afraid to dive into eternal truth, absolute light, and absolute darkness, then dive! Dive boy, dive! Have the heart of a samurai, and plunge the sword of LSD into your mind! Does the bull have fear in its heart when it charges?

:cheers2:

 

I've only done shrooms once compared to L 15-20 times, but in my experience the biggest difference by far is that shrooms are more of a downer (my motor skills went to crap and all I wanted to do was sit on my couch) whereas L is more of an upper (I always want to go exploring, play my guitar, and talk a lot - on shrooms, I would stop talking mid sentence because what I was saying just completely lost its meaning as I was trying to convey it). The only other real difference I noticed was that the visuals are indeed different - L's visuals are smaller and more definite, those of shrooms are bigger and more vague.

 

i cant really decide which one i like better. shrooms are more intense in feeling and in thought, acid is more intense in visuals and sounds. i like to switch back and forth. higher doses of shrooms is very alien like, very trippy, very strange teachings. higher doses of acid are very god like, everything is filled with divine light, everything is ratiating with energy, you feel a connection to everything, and love fills your every poreus. it all depends on what you want to expereince.

imo shrooms and acid at the same time is where its really at. thats a whole other ballpark to play in right there. i remember closing my eyes on acid and shrooms, there was no geometric patterens on black background dimly illuminated and swirling around, there was a actually picture in my head, it was like a cartoon, with a red background, with all different kinds of clocks, all sitting next to eachother tickin away, my head felt open, free.

 

mmm!

something that some people miss out when critiquing trips..

they say 'well you could have worked that out without drugs' and I would not disagree. however, there is something about actually SEEING or FEELING directly your life over such a span.. puts it all in direct perspective, right there 'closer than your eyelids'.

its not like its teh cognitive understanding that 'i am going to die' but it is the experience of trully grasping your whole life at once in a moment of consciousness...

eg. i didnt need acid to know that smoking was destroying my lungs... but being able to put my whole being into a mode where it felt and saw the effect from the inside out... being able to actually LIVE the hypotheticals that we consider about the future, all in the present

it makes our actions not just a reaction to conceptual ideas but to fully-real experience

 

Exactly bill. that's the power of it . . . it doesn't mess around and just fill your head with more words that you can ignore at your leisure. it grabs you by the hair, exposes all your stupid habits and mistakes, pushes your face in them like a bad dog, and says "are you happy now? is this what you really want? I can do this all day. all day. you can't, but I can."

you are thrust into an arena naked with only your inner demons as companions and only one of you is coming out of there alive.

 

In my experience, magic mushrooms have been much more intense than LSD. And I think this mostly is due to the short duration of a mushroom experience compared to the LSD experience.
With a high dose of mushrooms, the 'stoning' effect comes to me typically in under 5 minutes after chomping down the last cap or stem. This stoning sensation, what StayLoose has described as a decrease in basic motor skill function (both control and reaction time/processing) is mixed with a very powerful seperation of the mind and body. I dont want to use the therms mind and soul because soul is to vague a concept and too broad a spectrum, so I will stick with mind and body.
It is as if the consciousness, the awareness behind the mechanical operations of the mind, doesnt exactly split but rather expands, as the mechanical mind is sort of left in place, as it always is, concerned with the management of the body. And it is in this moment, roughly 30-45 minutes deep, that the first pangs of fear bombard the corridors within the illusive connecting 'strings' between the awareness and the mechanical mind, which is caused by a gnawing realization that this expansion is taking place, effectively producing anxiety rooted in a perceived seperation of mind from body and anguish geared towards bringing it all back to 'normal' again. The ego consciousness, which is the parasitic attachment latched onto the mind but coming in between the awareness and the mind/body organism, is literally battling with the Self for what it believes to be it's rightful claim to the throne resting upon the crown of isolated identity.

Now, with LSD this very same process takes place, albeit consisting of very distinctly unique visual distortion and auditory warping/phasing. To me, the visual effects of mushrooms (in this early stage) are that of rippling surfaces and surfaces which appear to be absorbing light and the visual space between objects, blurry but shiny layers of screens covering all matter, smooth, slippery morphing (like facial features such becoming almost liquid like and fluidly rearranging their places), and dull earth tone 'growths' closing in from the limits of the visual peripheral field giving the impression that one is being closed off or near 'blacking out' (minus the vertigo). The sound distortion is like that of convulsions of internal dialouge laughter/crying, voices get noticeably more striking and loud, the reception of sound itself all together is very overwhelming and it times quite uncomfortable, all juxtaposed as one dimension of sounds existing over initially a very subtle but steadily increasing dimension of inner mechanical sounds, of which I can only find similarity in the natural world to compare with in the likes of an automobile engine running, or a rumbling sweep of thunder peals in the distance heard ringing across the flat lands of the Midwest American states, but more of a repetitive whirring mechanical force usually sustained in the key of C Major without too much of a play.

LSD visuals are more like sparkling, neon bursts of light happening within every pocket of vision, and at the heart of each mini explosion is a void, in other words a blackness or a lack of the brilliant colour displays, all boilding and bubbling and blooming rapidly and at individual rates until culminating in a final burst of wonderous arrays changing with every passing second. The morphing is more chaotic in an edgy, jagged, unfamiliar sense in that the bending/melting effect has more of a rapid pace to it than with mushrooms. Surfaces ripple but also appear the be breathing very heavily, and all matter is seen to be permeated by a grid network of straight lines which are both perfectly rectilinear and dazziling in chaotic resonace confusion. But the grid is entirely self sustained, self generated, self composing, self replicating, etc. ; it is of itself and everything is of it. We are emanations of this networked programs desire to experience itself subjectively through the illusion that the subjects are receiving an objective picture of the programmed manifestation. The sound warping during LSD experiences is very phaser like, with heavy filtration and oscillating control, intense decay/delay modulation and distortion to a very bizarre extent. Each sound is received as if you've slowed down your perception of time and had the ability to feel the internal process involved in getting the sound to your brain and then into your awareness and then interpreted by the ego and played back in memory, so that it seems like you can hear the inner workings of the biological neural network electrical transmission system carrying out all of the ordained actions in synch with the almost simultaneous awareness carrying out both areas of consciousness, which is (I believe) impossible but surely fits what the description would entail if capable of being amplified to an audible volume.

Before the peak comes, but after the heavy introspective stage that comes to those who either havent tripped many times or havent tripped in quite awhile (therefor having a chunk of life experience gathered without the influence of psychedelics to tear them apart and analyze under stranger lighting) is where the two chemicals differ the most in my experience. Because, the mushrooms can take you to the peak in less than two hours, while LSD typically lingers for 4-5 before that divine moment strikes the heart of the awareness. By the time mushrooms close up on you and rip you completley into the other realms of consciousness, LSD is still playing games with your grip on reality, making the limbs act sloppily and silly, speaking slowly degenerates into half nonsensical rambling as your left fumbling for the right word to match the picture your painting in the mind as you go along, basic motor functions turn awkard and unfamiliar, you start sweating, trembling, grinning and frowing back and forth undecided as to which to settle on or wether or not one should settle etc.
The peak of a magic mushroom trip has always rendered me speechless, paralyzed, baffled, profoundly frigthened and alone, and defied any explanation I could convey with words or even visual expression for others to get a point across. But some common phenomenon encountered with the majority of mushroom peaks include an overwhelming sense of a 'presence', a kind of force which is aware of me and impersonally desires (if you can follow me for a moment) to teach but destroy me, love but hurt me, enlighten but disillusion me, and welcome but horrify me. I can never get a glimpse of this force, which leads me to believe that the only image it owns is the image that the different minds conjure up in order to confront it in moments of wonder, so the force or presence has no appearance but will appear to the mind which requires the comfort of visual representation so that the foundation in reality is not too far removed, and therefor contact can be made and the teaching/destroying process can undergo it's routine operations. We may call this God, or Tao, or Yin/Yang, or Mother Nature, or whatever we like, I sure as fuck have no idea and every experience in succession has not failed in revealing the strangeness of Nature to my impressionable state of pure receptivity. There is a feeling of dying, of consciousness being shattered and spread across the wind like sand blown from the palm of someones hand, and my 'seperate' senses of personal (lol) identity are all grasping out to each meothers to reclaim a state of solid, unified being, in other words the mutiple senses of 'I' wish to become whole again. And it is in this moment that something else replaces the sense of myself from the center of these metaphorical grasping hands, and this something else is realized to be the presence, now growing from within rather than being felt from without. The strange thing is, that I feel no sense of 'soul', no sense of higher Self, no merging into oneness with God and humanity and the cosmic consciousness and so on, but rather it is a feeling that this growing presence from within is dissolving me, is killing me in the truest sense, is eating me from the inside out until I am no longer an existance. I have no state of being, no state of having been, no state of will be. Being becomes replaced by the source of existence itself, but is again broken down into the nature of creation, and all is left behind. Then the trip leaves, the stranglehold that psylocibin wraps around the mind eases off and a sense of euphoria comes pouring down on the front of the head like looking straight up into the hot skies gently sprinkling cool fresh showers of rain after you have been working all day long in the blazing Sun without a break for a drink. Life comes back into focus and the beautiful connection with manifested Earth rooted reality takes on a meaning of blessing, a gift from God that whatever just happened during the peak has gone and allowed you to live another day, to smile under the heavens and sink your toes into the dirt, to learn from your mistakes and be given the chance to better yourself and truly appreciate for the first time how magical life is.

The peak of an LSD trip comes on much more smoothly for me, being that it gives you so much more time to come to terms with your state and the buzzing synthesizer explosion builds like a beautiful symphony rather than a derranged sensory overload monkey maniac pain breakdown like with mushrooms. One thing I find odd is that with mushrooms, I never know Im peaking until the peak is over because Im too confused and bewildered, but with LSD, I know the peak is rising up from within the moment it begins to take control, and it's (almost) always a very peaceful transition into the deeply enhanced level of frying. There is also a presence felt during this peak, but to me it doesnt have that Mother Naturely, translinguistic oversoul organic Ancient Teacher power, but rather more like the (obviously) loftiest expressions of God as mediated through one (or in some cases, all three) of the main Hindu deities grouped within the Trimurti, namely Brahma (creation) Vishnu (avatara Krishna, sustainer) and/or Shiva (destruction). This peak to me doesnt have that all interconnected yet entirely Impersonal controlling function, but a personal, friendly, revealing science feature that is, although VERY intense in terms of sensory contact and processing, is also less violent in terms of impact and profundity, the esoteric nature of the experience is more hilarious than it is humbling, possibly because it is highly mechanical rather than transcendental, and also possibly due to how I originally claimed it to be more deity like than Impersonal. I've had experiences where it felt like a localized, isolated 'spirit' was directly manipulating the emotional well being of myself and those tripping around me, which ties into the stories you hear of demonic possesion, ecstatic spiritual trance, and quite frankly holy ghosts, if you cach my drift.

All in all they take you to similar dimensions of awareness, but in my experience I've walked away far more often from mushroom expreinces feeling like I've found transcendental truth than I have experienced hilarious cosmic belly laughs. Anway, this just one persons approach, these drugs effect us all in amazingly diverse and unique ways and every thought out position on the matter is relevant.
God bless

 

Acid was very technical for me. Shrooms was alway natural. You can see nature spirits more clearly with shrooms and touch ancient magic. LSD is perfect if you get tru "L". I believe shrooms bring goood luck to the consumer. LSD can can do that but you dont have the plant spirit guide you cross you through the mental death/rebirth. Shrooms can be taken in low doses to supplement low serotonin and ease depression.
The new gig is "shroomahuasca." The caapi vine containes the tetrahydroharmine that is the special magic of traditional aya. The rue has only the harmine/harmaline which still has its magic. The cubensis var contains DMT long with the psilcin/psilocybin. The rue or caapi will unlock the normally inert DMT.

 

I hope I get to try DMT someday

 

::claps for Relayer's post:: Bravo!

 

I know eh? I can't wait for srs

the grass that has it in relatively high amounts, pharallis grass or whatever, grows around my area . . . but the extraction requires some tools I don't have and can't afford right now. But the cost is about on par with starting a shroom grow op.

 

I could definitley do the extraction, no prob, the prob is that Im on parole and get random house visits.
Like tonight for example, got a bottle of wine just begging to be drank, but I have to wait until 8pm to make sure Im in the clear.

 

although im definatley in the mood for some lsd, i would definately have to go with mushrooms. acid is very interesting but mushrooms have a very special place in my heart. whenever im on mushrooms i feel as if my brain is running at 100% of its potential. its really empowering. i find lsd fascinating though. i just find it to be very harsh on my body. lsd causes alot of muscle tension/spasms for me. i have a bad back/neck so whenever i do it i end up in alot of pain. also i hate it when i cant sleep after im done tripping. also the duration 12-16 hours is a little much for my tastes. There are a couple things that i really do like about acid. one is the audio hallucinations. i never had audio hallucinations that were very noticable before. but when i did acid. WOW. also it dosnt impair your motor skills much. i was able to drive fine on acid. NO WAY could i drive on shrooms. another interesting thing ive realized is that with mushrooms all my revelations come while im tripping. with acid i still feel new changes weeks even months afterwards. hmmmm idk if i can think of anything else at the moment. i enjoy both drugs. i enjoy all psychadelics for that matter(with the ecxeption of salvia). but mushrooms is my all time favorite

 

people think shrooms are more spiritual because acid tends to get so intense it's a lot harder when you try to learn from it

i think you should take a huge dose for once, go for 10 or so, i dropped a good 13mg once, it taught me how to deal with bad trips, then on it's been easy sailing... not very easy, but comparatively yes

there's no end to the acid experience, timothy leary hadn't seen all of it, ram dass hasn't seen all of it (well, maybe he has) after about 15 shrooms trips, i think i'm finally bored of it

peace

 

I should do shrooms again sometime. I am so much more experienced with L that the comparison isn't fair. I tend to gravitate towards L, though, because of it's tendency to be more of an upper. When I was shrooming, I couldn't even finish a complete sentence, my energy level and attention span were so low. L is awesome because you can go on adventures, play music and talk throughout the experience. I can't imagine doing that on shrooms, but I guess you could. And of course if you are overwhelmed by the LSD experience, it's hard to go adventuring or play music as well.

 

shrooms are def more spiritual for me, acid is fun/introspective
dmt on shrooms and it wil blow your socks off. ive done dmt 4 or 5 times on shrooms and its incredible. dmt by it self is amazing but w/ mushies its even better.

my most meaningful trip every was on 45gs (fresh not dried)of cubensis mexicana (about 50mgs of magic) then smoked about 50 -60 mgs of dmt after about 2 hours of tripping.
near ego loss from the shrooms but the dmt took me for a good 15 -20 mins of straight up breakthrough. unreal is all i can us to explain it.


high doses of shrooms will kick you in your ass, there intense and not all ways fun, but you will earn alot. never underestimate the fungi...

 

the most i ever did was 6 strong hits but it still didnt even come close to some of my high dose mushroom trips. 8 grams tore my mind appart like 5-meo-dmt. i would like to do a higher dose of acid but it just bothers my body too much

 

Depending on how strong the hits were, 8 grams of decent shrooms might be way more potent. I think that there is something overwhelming about the shroom trip that is a necessary component of every serious trip, whereas on LSD I think that with calmness and focus it is much more likely for the trip to seem relatively... eh, "easygoing" in comparision. "Easygoing" definitely isn't the best word, because it's certainly still very intense and memorable, but it seems more familiar. As others have said, shrooms has some sort of alien, weird feeling that is extremely "heavy," physically and emotionally. LSD can be really emotional but the emotions commonly experienced on LSD are more of a high, trebly frequency, such as excited oneness with the now vs. very anxious fear, whereas shrooms produce more weighty, "big" feelings. I'll leave it to more experienced shroomers to describe those feelings

Damn, I posted a TON today. I was procrastinating these two papers all day. They are do tomorrow, and I didn't do a grear job on them, but hey I have them done before literally the last minute Woo hoo.

 

Yeah, the tetrahydroharmine is quite an interesting molecule. There’s been a lot of activity recently with people trying this molecule. Mostly people using it with DMT to orally activate it.

Rue has a little tiny bit of tetrahydroharmine, but it’s mostly harmine and harmaline.

Has anyone here tried pure tetrahydroharmine with mushrooms yet?