Hi, new member here. I was around when LSD was illegalized! That was nationwide, headline news, that made a lot of people sad. The quality of acid was very good,providing clean, smooth and pleasant psychedelic experiences and stayed that way for few years. Then, in the early 70's a hit would make a person feel physically uncomfortable, and a little upsetting in the stomach causing the trip to become worrisome and not as pleasant and smooth as it once was. Everyone I knew quit taking it by 1973 complaining of the same side effects. Later the chemicals were reported to be extreemly difficult to obtain and the manufacturing process was also getting difficult with a short timeline to distribute the acid before it would go bad. I wish everyone could experience a decent LSD trip in a pleasant environment at least once in their lifetime. I have to wonder, after finding this forum, if the LSD is as clean as it was before the mid 70's. From Frisco to Rochdale College, Toronto, happy trails!!! RED
Most likely it wasn't LSD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,5-Dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine I wasn't around back then so I can't make a legitimate comparison, but my experiences with purported LSD have been smooth, clean, pleasant, serene, full of light and wonder and awe, gorgeous beyond words, mind-blowing... all the typical adjectives traditionally associated with LSD and not so much research chemicals (although they can be quite good too, as long as they are not being passed off as LSD)
I don't recall any stomach problems back then. I started taking acid in '72. I do remember some trips were cleaner with not so much clenching and less speedy. The best acid around at that time was clear windowpane. I had a life changing trip on one hit. I wish I could take acid again. I'm pretty sure I have a connection so that's not a problem, but I think tripping when you are older it could be very different. Have you tripped recently?
You're never to old. I find psychedelic journeys now to actually be better and more in depth than when I was young. There is a lot more maturity and life experience to draw from and with that a much more precise and easier understanding and resolution to the experience. My first voyage was in the fall of '76, 3 purple microdot for about 500-550ugs, life altering:sunny: I find I am much better able to deal with difficult issues if they arise, and it's almost like the preliminary "revelations" have already been ingrained into my psyche/life, so the experiences now can go beyond that initial "WOW" factor on to much deeper and profound landscapes of the mind. Plus I can hold my shit together much better now. So I could easily take a couple of hits, few grams of shrooms, 3 feet worth of San Pedro, and hold conversations with others never tipping my hat that I'm on a different plane of existence at that moment. Your never to old to learn more.:2thumbsup:
I have to agree with much of what you said Herman. Tho Im not sure I could be that straight on that many psyches My first (and most recent) L trip in years felt much like that, sort of "oh yes, this I remember, I know this place" sort of thing and felt as though any issues I wanted to dwell in and explore were much easier to guide, even in a very deeply psychedelic headspace. I do think one can be "too old"... as its not like taking an aspirin. On the other hand, I think when we're older we can better judge the safety aspect and yes, maturity is a welcome addition. But I'll never forget that 'oh wow' wonderment of the first time.
LOL I didn't mean taking them all at one time. That's just some of the things I have done over the last few years, and each time I was able to function "normally" as far as outward appearances go. And yes, the initial "WOW!" is deeply ingrained in my memory. While typing this yesterday I was thinking exactly that, how clear and vivid my memories of that first trip still are, much more than other events from that same time period. When you say too old, do you mean physically or psychologically? Physically, yes, maybe depending on the substance. Some things like cactus concoctions can be pretty harsh physically, but LSD really is so minimal in it's somatic effects that I personally would not be concerned about age with LSD, unless a person has some type of pronounced physical condition, extreme high blood pressure for example, that would preclude a safe trip. I would personally stay clear of most of the RC's around today for anybody physically compromised, as they do not yet have a long term history in regards to safety and long term effects. LSD has over 60 years history of use that show it to be safe. Honestly, regardless of the fantastic perceptual effects, the physiological effects are about the same as having a double shot of espresso from Starfucks That is one erroneous assumption often made regarding LSD, "the perceptual and emotional effects are so dramatic that it MUST be harmful in some manner physiologically". Sounds reasonable, but to date no research has found that to be the case, on the contrary, research has shown LSD to be very safe with little impact physiologically. Psychologically, well that really depends on how deeply entrenched that person is in their current world view and how malleable they are to alterations or challenges to that world view. I have a couple of friends who when younger would have no problems at all, but now are so "set in their ways" that a significant LSD experience would most likely not be very pleasant for them. Didn't A. Hoffman take LSD all the way throughout his life? (not sure of that, just assuming based on rumor) Plus remember a lot of the early researchers in the area of LSD/psychedelics were around our age, 40's-60's when they first experienced LSD. Wasn't Leary and his colleagues around 40 when they first tried psychedelics. What about Huxley? You're never too old, IMHO.
The first time I ever tripped on acid before it kicked in for about a half an hour I had a terrible stomach ache, but as soon as it kicked in it went away. I have only tripped once since because it is soooooooo fucking hard to find here.
oh I don't think I'm too old to learn more! It's just that I think as you get older you have more of a full mind to reflect upon. I think you become more aware of your issues. your mortality, your fuck ups, your regrets. Maybe a trip would give more acceptance. Yes I agree here very much. How do you know if you are set in your ways? I don't think I am but wouldn't I be the last to know? Never had a bad trip on LSD, but for some reason I am nervous about the come up as I remember taking that transition from untripping to to tripping was always uncomfortable. Also do you think it is easier to trip alone when you are older. I have tripped alone before and it wasn't an issue. I don't have anyone to trip with (husband has no interest as he had a bad experince on shrooms). All the people I know who take acid are much younger. Anyway I guess the opportunity will arise if it's to be.
I've alwasy been of the persuasion LSD finds us we dont really need to pursue it. But I've not tripped since the Dead quit touring. I never get the opportunity. I still remember almost all my trips and never had a 'bad trip'. I like the idea of having lot more life experience going into a trip then I did in my teens and early 20's. I had major life changing experiences from LSD that helped me get to the place I'm at today. Ive alwasy treated LSD as a spiritual tool rather then a party drug. I'm thankful it found me when I needed it at that time in my life. Hopefully I will have more trips in the future.
Oh, I totally misread that. I was all, "damn". Same. :sunny: Ya, I meant physically. And really, that's perception as I don't have any paper or research to point to, rather, my observations on the effects and that it might be physically quite hard on an aged body. I agree on the safety track record and I didn't mean to say something general like anyone over 70 shouldn't indulge. I think if one thinks about it that would be silly. The mind and body are intricately connected, but one could have a practically useless body and still have a great mind. Hawking for example. (hmm, wonder if he's tripped? that would be interesting) I don't think an intense emotional and cognitive experience neccesitates the same physically, all I meant is a good L trip isn't like taking an aspirin. And there is plenty of history of intense emotional incidents triggering physical symptoms. But again, the advantage of being older is judging with more experience what is safe for one's self, as opposed to being younger and just having at it unprepared. (like alot of us did ) I think for a few decades, but I don't recall reading exactly how late in life Hoffman did. And ya, all those other dudes started later than you or I. Huxley I think older than all of em. (in his 50's?) And of course, famously dosing on L as he was dying. Two IM injections of 100ug.
Recently no. But a few short years ago, I read the news about Salvia, and saw it going down the same path LSD legality went. So I tried a bit while it was legally obtained in the local Smoke Shop.
