LSD/Peace

Why can't there be peace on this world? Is it far from within our reach or is it too near that we cannot grasp it? Will there ever be any hope or chance for harmony and love? Tell me what you think.

 

it's way too far.
there is no chance for harmony and peace for our generation. sorry for brutal honesty. there are just so many lost people


as for LSD, it's kinda still to far. imo the root of probelems still lie in most people's minds regardless of them taking lsd or not.


dang i sound like a bitch

 

Look Ma, I thinks another one o' them thar kids done woke up.:coffee:


Ken Kesey first took LSD as a student volunteer in clinical studies on LSD. He wrote "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" after his experiences of taking LSD in a hospital setting. I guess it was his inspiration.

You never heard of The Merry Pranksters before?

One thing that often doesn't get mentioned is how LSD improved the condition of mental health hospitals. After many psychologists experimented on themselves and colleagues with LSD they came to see how oppressive and terrifying the current hospitals were to mentally ill patients, especially schizophrenics. That is when there was a shift to more relaxed and colorful setting with a more "home like" feel to it started to emerge in many institutions.

 

So infantdressingtable, what happened to all the stuff you wrote about your first LSD trip and how it completely changed your whole world view, and the stuff about Ken Kesey and Cuckoos nest?
I read your post, start typing a response, get up to take a piss, come back, hit "submit" and find out that you
DELETED EVERYTHING IN YOUR ORIGINAL POST AND REPLACED IT WITH SOME CRAP THAT SOUNDS LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON TALKING.

Just post another message if you want to be more clear, don't just delete everything and start over. But what you had in your original post was much more interesting and conducive to generating conversation.

Oh and welcome to Hip Forums. :cheers2: (I do like the screenname)

 

I think boguskyle needs to wake up!

You can't make peace in the world, you can only make peace in yourself, and when enough people are at peace with themselves, then the world will be peaceful.

So change yourself, become peaceful yourself, and everything around you will become more peaceful. Everything you interact with will be peace, so for you the world will have become peaceful.

Nows about the time where technology is going to destroy our reasons for fighting, people will be too smart to not be in peace with themselves.

 

yeah infant dressing table--- what a great and weird name-- you must really be british or something?

i dont think there has been peace in the past. maybe if technology advances to the point where there is no real competition for resources there could be ubiquitous peace?

but then you still have ideologies and people love rabble rousing over those... be happy youre in america (dressing table?) where usually you wont get shot if you just comply with the mugger

 

i think the closest thing to causing peace in this world at the moment is the gathering of the vibes

 

i absolutely 100% agree with you.
i mean that the problems are embedded in us, not in a natural way but by political agenda's we're used to. i didn't really wanna get into a political discussion so i guess i left my post a lil vague and open. and i guess i was kinda in a pessimistic mood yesterday haha.

the last sentence you wrote is exactly my thoughts. but i just don't think it'll happen soon or even in our generation because people either don't get their hands dirty enough with politics, or a combination of people being ignorant and not open-minded enough. but i am an advocate for this kind of thinking.

for example even our monetary system is fundamentally about fighting eachother. you can have peace in all social areas, and that's even common sense, but to have peace with the monetary world is another thing.

 

Being at peace has nothing to do with an individual's level of intelligence, and no amount of technological innovation will ever primarily compensate for the fundamental challenge of the human condition. People have to find peace for themselves, those slow and those quick, technology can't do it.

 

Right on boguskyle! I'm glad you understand! Remember under all optimism and pessimism there is the unchanging truth, and that truth is free.

^But technology with science can take away starvation, disease, pollution, homelessness. If it moves in the right direction it has many great possibilities. It might even take away the need for politics, and show us a more synergistic way to live with the environment. This will bring a more peaceful life style on the world, and with all the material conditions fulfilled, people will start looking inward, filling their inner conditions, their spiritual conditions.

 

exactly! spot on dude(dudette ).
i'm diggin yo style

i somewhat agree, but i think in the system we humans have been in since primitive times, consciousness leads to peace. and intelligence and consciousness go hand in hand.
plus that idealistic situation inthydreams and i are talking about makes peace a default. in the system right now, people have to deal with conflict with other people and even themselves, not to mention just to partake in it means you are fighting others. this is taking into account how the monetary system works.

 

like the song says:

if you can't change the world, change yourself
and if you can't change yourself
then change your world

 

No they won't.
A person that is influenced by desire will be under it's spell regardless of how many conditions are met. If what you are saying were true then every wealthy person on the planet would be enlightened. With most people, as soon as one material concern or desire is fulfilled, another one instantly arises to take it's place. The point is that you are putting the end before the means. It is the looking inward that makes material conditions "fulfilled", not the opposite.

 

When people use the word "consciousness" in the context of a spiritual discussion like this, they are generally referring to spiritual awareness, or awareness of oneself. I assume you are doing the same.
Intelligence has nothing to do with this. Mental horsepower can be used in a variety of ways. True, I'm sure there are many intelligent people who have put their mind to work at attempting to uncover their essence, but there are also highly intelligent people who do nothing more than spin their wheels.

It isn't a matter of mental prowess, it's a matter of honesty and a willingness to be silent.

 

Ah, another "Psychedelic Revolution" thread.

 

Redundant. Present participle of redundare "overflow" < undare "rise in waves" < unda "wave"]

 

We live in a world, a society, and a place in time, where we have become entirely saturated. For the first time in all of documented human existence, we have reached a point where there is never a dull moment. No longer are we left wondering what's going on in foreign territory, its dictated on our cell phone. Peace and quiet are supplemented with late night comedy and peremptory political agendas. No longer must the mind be creative enough for self-fulfilled entertainment; instead it falls victim to the malleating force of our plasma televisions.

This world will never EVER know peace. Why? Because of how boring it is. It is the humans inhibition to go above and beyond what it is exposed to. If one generation found peace, the next generation would revolve it, it's what many refer to as the pendulum effect. LSD could inevitably bring humans closer to an ideal and just playing field, but the conundrum one finds is, "Is everyone being peacfully fucked up on acid, worth the deprivation of technological, societal, and biological advancements?

 

The best thing that you can do for yourself and the world is to find your own inner peace. It is THE most essential thing.

And peace is not far away. Rather, it's too close. It's so close that it's easily overlooked.

 

Peace is outside the human condition -- I'm gonna say... it doesn't exist. E-motions in nature are always moving and changing, so to hope they some day settle the fuck down and stay where you want them to be is probably a fruitless goal that you will chase until your death.

hehe.

*btw, it still amazes me to this day how many people I see thinking they will "figure out life" or "find peace" within their personal lifetime. Mostly because, EVERYONE has tried this since the dawn of time, and for some random kid on a forum to be convinced he will do it just baffles my mind. Perhaps I also need to sign on the 'ignorance is bliss' train and be less realistic and more wishful.

 

What you don't understand is when a person learns to accept the changes and peaks and valley's that life brings to everyone without quantifying them as "good" or "bad" but rather as just being part of existence that we all share is when personal peace can be realized.
It's a matter of perspective and perception. If a person's perspective defines peace as elimination of all the "bad" stuff in their life and the world, than yes, it becomes futile and will never be achieved.
It's not the elimination of "bad" and the propagation of "good" thats determines peace in one's life, it's how one reacts and responds to good and the bad in life that is the determining factor.
Sure emotions in nature are going to always move and change, but my personal happiness doesn't have to be tied to those changes.
That's figuring out life, from there it just gets easy.

So yes, personal peace is attainable in life because it is not reliant upon the external world whatsoever, just upon your interaction with it.