Years ago they did a study at "concord state prison" in Massachussetts. The study was to try to see the return to prison rate after a few "sessions"The doses were given in a controlled enviroment @ and with a shrink asking questions and making prisoners confront their problems . Anyway , the return rate dropped alot. Enough were it should have been a bigger program. A study on alcoholics was also done "back then". And the end result was good. Why would they not continue? I don't have results in front of me. Stuff I have read in past and I will look into myself some. I was thinking about the idea of making "all" drugs legal. And put the time and money into addiction @ getting ppl off the "bad" unhealthy drugs. Everyone has their own idea on good @ bad drugs. I guess a bad drug would be one that anyone person has a problem they can not controll. Some say its in your mind. Well, no . Some ppl just have a part of their brain that can not be controlled by themselves. Problems are to deep to controll. This is were LSD @ similiar chemicals would play a roll. Lucy has a way of making you think pretty deeply. And in a controlled place, I could see were a professional person could make someone look at the right part of their lives that they themselves can't see or just refuse to see because it causes stess or just plain hurts to much. Heroin users alot of the time are people who have issues that are vary tramitic. Anyone else have a idea on this. I guess I'm bored this morning. And I'm thinking to much. I myself have been in a methodone clinic for 6 years. I have not touched an opiate in that time. Swim may (or may not) dose now and then when He's got an issue that he may need to think about. He says it sometimes helps.(or it may not). Anyone been in this type of space in their lives?
Yes Psychedelics are and have been very promising for treating addiction. Here is results from Google on the topic and a few other articles. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...q=Psychedelics+for+treating+addiction&spell=1 http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...s-alcoholics-put-down-the-botttle-419523.html http://www.psychedelic-library.org/savage.htm http://substanceabuse.suite101.com/article.cfm/lsd___alcoholism_treatment http://www.maps.org/ They have managed to pry the academic doors open to allow more research into the substances. As far legalization goes that frankly is up to each one of us who uses these substances. Learn about them, get and know the facts. Be able to direct others to solid research about drugs and drug laws. Only by being able to give accurate intelligent answers to the questions and concerns will you and I be able to make a difference. As a community of psychedelic users we really need to drop all the psuedo spiritual, mystical talk and stick to verifiable facts based on scientific studies when talking with those opposed to psychedelics and drugs in general. Educate yourself so that if somebody asks you about these topics you don't just sound like some ignorant stoner and thereby lose all credibility. (I mean that generaly, not you specifically) Save the spiritual aspect discussions for when they ask about that specifically. Trust me, it will come up, but if you lead with that type of thing you may well lose your audience. Read my "rant" about this very thing in the LSD & Pregnancy thread.
Ive also been on opiates on and off for 7 years, but been clean from heroin for the last year maybe more . whilst i reduced the methadone. Im now 25 days into my methadone detox, and have been doing what i used to do .. " Shroom picking " and yes i beleive psychedelics ( When used properly ) can deffinately have a place in helping with serious addictions, they realy help you look at yourself, might be painfull at first, but only and i mean only if you have " NOT " fully accepted what you were / are before you take a trip. Psych's have been a favourite of mine well before i got into opiates, and thats why i fully beleive in going back over, to re discover what i lost with opiate use, and for self discovery and education, personal insight etc .. Good topic btw ..
I used LSD to help me quit cigarettes. I had been smoking for 4 1/2 years and I had never fully fooled myself into thinking it was cool or a stress reliever..I knew that I was just addicted. I used the patch over 6 weeks starting with 21mg then 14mg, then finished with the 7mg patch. I had been off cigarettes for 4 months and off the patch for over 2 months and I luckily ran into my old friend Lucy. I hadn't seen her since before I became addicted to cigarettes, and I took 2 separate trips with her in Pedernales Falls State Park, TX (great place to take a trip) with 2 other people each time (not same people). This greatly enforced my desire to quit and that I was on the right path and I knew I could remain strong after the trip. I've been free of my cigarette addiction over 2 1/2 years..only had 2 cigs since then and it was just part of a cig each time. I still have weird dreams where I find myself smoking a cigarette and then realizing what I am doing and freaking out about it. That addiction is strong. LSD is stronger.
I quit smoking cigs years ago because the wife said it made me taste nasty and wouldn't go downtown any more. I quit very quickly, had very good motivation
yeah there was a test somewhere in the US where a cluster of people who smoked were given LSD and there was some crazy result of like 2 out of every 3 in the group quit. L does wonders, I can't wait until I'm 18.
I totally agree with the way "we" descibe LSD. We have to use descriptions ppl understand, and yes, not sound like a stoner. I used opiates for a short time(long enough to get a bad addictoin) and I did get clean for 12 years. I took a few doses in the beginning to clear my head. Once was totally by myself. I remember this like yesterday.I was in a nice place in the woods. But this "sessoin" made me look at myself from the outside. An honest look at who I really was. A asshole! These 4 hrs. made me see what other ppl saw.Without getting into detail, I had a "sessoin" that was not for fun. There is a differance. LSD will probally(not in my lifetime) be used to help ppl with addictoins. Of any kind . Not just drugs.There are other chems, that are close, but , they just are not the same.I guess we could go on @ on . But when it all comes to "the man", LSD is a drug that is abused in their eyes.Most everyone who has used LSD has had some kind of insite into themselves that they would not have seen or thought of without the dose. Does this make any sense. I babble sometimes.LOL.I have read about "Ibogaine" That sounds vary scary if you have a past that your not ready to bring forward.Its funny how we can hide things from ourselves.Never mind from other ppl. Ther was a time that you just did not talk about certain things.Abuse in your family is a big one.Ibogaine is suppose to make all bad things come out. This is only what I have read. I have not much reading on it. The "sessoins sound scary. I think I would want someone there that know me pretty good in case I came out with something crazy that I didn't want "the world " to know. With the way the world is going in the addictoin area. I really "wish" the right ppl would open their eyes to the benefits of LSD.Oxycontin gave "kids" the door to heavy opiates. Heroin is a drug that just the name scares most ppl. I know in new england there is so many addicts between 18-30 yrs of age. My girlfreind is only 24. And she is in the methedone clinic with me now for 5 yrs. But so many of the patients are vary young. Sad. Well, I hopde someday the world will open their eyes, and see that just because something is fun to some , others may get benefits that may save many lives. I can't get myself to sit here and think of the ppl I've lost to addictoin. My wife of 18 yrs. overdosed 3 yrs ago. She believed in LSD as a medicine. I wish she had used it that way in the end.
You should check out the MAPS link I posted previously. There is hope for these substances to be brought back into mainstream clinical treatments, even in our lifetimes.
my grandpa was like a 4 pack a day smoker, and one day he decided to quit, and he smoked his last cigarette, and didn't ever smoke again for the rest of his life. he did drink more though
I quit 6 yrs ago. still had a cartoon left the day I quit. I saved them for a couple yrs. Lost them. Oh, I had to quit drinkin to stop smokin. Now I can drink without a cigerett. I didn't have to trip for this addictoin though . go figure
heh-heh bender your cradle robber. I dunno about acid treating addiction i'm still pretty much and addict. not strung out or junkyfied but i dunno heroin is some pretty powerful shit. It donsn't matter that you want to quit.
Its not like you take a dose and just stop whatever your addictoin is. Tests were done in a controlled place and a professoinal person (their stats I don't know) it was a controlled sessoin dealing with their addictoin. They do it with "ibogaine" now. And cradle robber? And this comment was ment for....? We been together 5 yrs. Made her19 at the time.We got a baby boy @ are pretty happy. Her family really likes me. So the problem is.... Oh, heres somethin else for ya to comment about , she's a dancer. 120 grand so far this year.for a six hr shift 5 days a week. and she's hot enough to empty wallets without ever given a happy ending. so please keep to topic. I can live with the way I live my life.I'm sure you can live with the way I live my life. ok . haha peace out
