Instead of filing a trip report, I've decided to make more of a comparison based thread for those of you curios about LSA by comparing it to LSD So my experience was with heavenly blue morning glory seeds chewed straight up raw. Now to put it blunty, it tasted like shit and took an hour and a half of pure misery to ingest- so if you were to try them yourself PLEASE take your time to do the extraction. I'm told heavenly blue MG are about the strongest source of LSA and I wouldn't be surprised if that's a fact. For those of you curios to try LSA, don't take it lightly, it is just as heavy as a drug as LSD, and quite similar in many areas. The effects: the upcoming started with the ingestion of the seeds which keep making you gag from the taste. Shortly followed by (1-2hrs)vomiting. Now the actual vomit doesn't feel as bad as a flu, but you soon feel very ill after it, which I was under the impression would vanish after the vomiting... Guess not. So the effects start subtly, music became very clear, but I would say never as strong as LSD. With LSD music flows more with all of your senses, where with L.sA I felt it didn't really sync with everything else. Your sense of hearing didn't seem to get as strong as LSA, but i believe your sense of touch/body high was even stronger. The feeling was somewhat unpleasant the entire trip though as I felt sick the entire way through even through today about 24hrs later of ingestion. But my sense of taste was very great. I had a coke with me because I felt sick, and it was the best sip of coke I've ever had, it was like my entire mouth had a sense of taste, not just my tounge. It also seemed to last forever as you could sense every single bubble of carbonation from the fizz. Visuals became very strong too as I felt very heavy tracers. Surprisingly alike with LSD. Now I would say the visuals aren't as awesome as L.sD, but they were as strong --Almost overwhelming. with LSD I feel like the world changes styles of art, especially if you look at tile patterns. The MG didn't have that change of style, it first sucked me into a cartoon like world where there wasn't really lighting and shading on objects, just a solid color, but soon after that everything just looked like tracers. Things did get trippy though, like if you were to look into a mirror you change sizes, I had a framed picture of the Beatles that made their heads look very small relative to their bodies which was really funny. But I never got the whole experience theme as I was tied to my bed the whole time, I never felt adventurous. I was very horny my entire trip though which I found odd, so why the hell not, I watched some porn because I felt so fucking horny. And your sense of touch felt soo good it honestly felt as if you were having sex. So this was probably the coolest experience, and every guys dream, any video you watched you were dragged into, and it felt like the chick was talking to you, so you could fuck any girl you wanted, and it felt completely real. The entire process was stronger than my best orgasm. So being obsessed with virtual worlds, I would like to try something similar like this with an open world video game because I believe you could feel like you were in that world which would be incredible! But one thing that bugged me, since your sense of taste was so profound, you would sometimes get that taste of vomit in your mouth come back even stronger than before- which was disgusting, that even mouth wash and brushing your teeth didn't seem to get rid of. The entire time was somewhat unpleasant because you would feel mildy sick and then horribly sick the whole way through. This really made LSD seem more natural though, because the effects are in other plants, and since LSD is from the fungus of rye this psychoactive effect is naturally achievable-and of course their shrooms to add on to it... So overall, i would not do this again. I would rather stick to LSD as it feels much cleaner and less painful. But if you were to try LSA for yourself, don't underestimate its power!! It is very strong! I don't even know if it's worth trying yourself, as the effects are acheiveable without the painful side effects. Not to mention you're ingesting seeds, so there are probably some unwanted side effects whether treated or untreated. But do make sure they are untreated, otherwise you will be throwing up the whole time. It lasted 12 hours, and the upcoming, the peak, and the down fall were really similar to LSD, but the day after sucks even worse. I had to take a sick day. Oh another thing, one part the bugged me was that on my trip, when things were getting trippy, there were parts I felt I wasnt under control. I got a very dry mouth so I went to grab a glass of water, and while things were trippy you couldn't pick up that glass because it wasn't where it appeared to be, where as with LSD I still feel controllable the whole way through. It fucked with your depth perception to the point of danger if you actually had to walk or granted drive anywhere... So based on my POV, I wouldn't suggest trying it, but there are people who will be on both sides. I'd rather chill with my friend Lucy on any given day.
As you and I both know these experiences sometimes defy words but it seems so odd to me that you say the LSA trip is comparable to LSD, then go on to say that you wouldn't do it again. I'm having trouble grasping why such a similar experience does not make a viable substitute for infrequent use when LSD is dry. The nausea must be really really bad I'm guessing from these things. Eating moldy rye bread has made many people ill and has caused rumors of witches, possessions and other nonsense in the past, no one should eat moldy rye bread to trip.
well let's put it this way.. it's as strong as LSD, so your senses are heavy, but you feel sick the whole time. So it's like your super sick.. haha And LSD is synthesized, so it's more like if you want the effects/experience, LSD is the cleanest way there One thing I'm kind of ashamed of was the music part. It felt cleaner, and you could follow all of the instruments. BUT it didn't seem to be a part of you. Like on LSD music is the greatest thing is when the bass drags you down heavily and your laughing and loving everything. I felt too sick to really appreciate much. And it felt more delusional than crazy/insane and/or surreal. Like it felt out of control, not just trippy. I mean delusional kind of means insane, but it wasn't that weird interesting curiosity type of ordeal, it was you felt unpredictable. I hope that cleared it up more. I still feel out of it, so I don't reallly know if what I'm saying makes any sense..
I tried a cold water extraction of 12 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds. I had zero nausea and zero stomach ache. It was an alright trip with some euphoria but it wasn't that powerful. Maybe I should up the dose. Someday maybe I will be blessed with LSD.
No, their not. That's why alot of people go for the HBWR seeds, alot less to choke down. Posted this link once before. http://www.clusterbusters.com/lsa.htm
I really enjoyed my experiences with LSA, but now I think the side effects outweigh the enjoyment. I didnt mind the nausea so much, which always seemed to pass after an hour for me. What worried me more was the vasoconstriction. On a strong (9 seeds) HBWR trip, I would get extremely sore legs, cold hand and feet and sore biceps. I could just have naturally bad circulation, making me more susceptible to the vasoconstriction effects. But disregarding the side effects entirely, I found the LSA trips to be amazing and enlightening. On my first try, I remember regressing into a somewhat childlike state of mind, where even the most mundane objects around me filled me with wonder and awe. Couple that with cascading open eye visuals and intricate, breathtaking closed eye visuals.... It sure is a shame about the sife effects, I'll be sticking with LSD personally. Oh, and as the above poster pointed out...HBWR are a stronger source of LSA than MG seeds.
^^^ With your hbwr experiences, did you do the thing about scraping the outsides off first? Curious if that helped with your minimal nausea. It seems like varying substances can cause vasoconstriction in different people, I've had it with 2Ce though only really noticeable when it's colder weather. How would you compare that with LSD ?
Yeah I wondered that, on HBWR there's the little black nipple of fungus which can be fatal if you munch enough of it. Not sure about that with MG though. My HBWR trip was a massive failure, did the extraction and fuckall happened. Majorly bummed
I actually scraped off that fungus stuff, then ground the seeds up and did a cold water extraction. The resulting liquid was utterly vile...and I'm not sure if it helped reduce nausea since I've never just ''Munched'' the seeds as they are. Dont get me wrong, the nausea was still pretty horrible, but after about an hour of sitting there wishing I hadnt taken them....it would gradually give way to a light feeling of euphoria. I never got close to puking. Compared to LSD, I found the HBWR trips to be much for of a body high. At one point on the come down, when I was in bed trying to sleep...wave after wave of the most intense euphoria washed over me. It felt like the most amazing orgasm I've ever had x10....and it lasted a good 5 minutes. I've never had anything like that on LSD. The OEV's were pretty similar to what I've seen on LSD, but the CEV's were quite different. I remember landscapes, weird machines, bustling circuses...that sort of thing. Bear in mind I havent had a huge number of experiences with either substance (4 or 5 LSD experiences...and maybe 4 with HBWR) and its all subjective of course.
So strange how these natural plants and herbs seem to consistently produce stronger body trips. Shrooms, San Pedro, and apparently these natural sources of LSA. This comparison report and the responses have given me the most insight about the strength of the trip and the effects. It sounds like it's worth preparing for in a similar fashion as one would a LSD or shroom trip and that there is variation among the trips intensity. I can't say they have moved higher on the list of entheogens worth exploring but it also sounds like several have had worthwhile experiences with HBWR and that seems to be the preferable source of LSA of the two.
Pulverize seeds, allow mash to sit in some lemon juice to get soft. Consume with teas.. Mash should be powder, so fine it will pass through a common window screen. (the size of screen on your house.. Again moisten with lemon juice. <this helps some the actions your stomach needs to do. eat plenty of fruits and grain. Something high in protein because this drug effects the muscles, Cramping ect.. much of you jump into using these seeds with little knowledge of your own bodies. For all I know, you spend your days eating greasy pizza, soda pop and whatever else isnt very good for you. Then consume these seeds and have issues. The only real issue I have is sensitive to touch and sound. Much of this belly ache can be avoided. Speaking of void. If you understood consuming your own void, (Urine) you might understand yourself better, as well how to use LSA.. I know why The Wall is my favorite album. Because Im talking one every day..
Very interesting and yes, I consistently lack the words to convey some experiences. But you described things pretty well, one of the most glowing reports I've read. I was thinking the same thing. I've read theories that say the various alkaloids the psychoactive chemicals reside in in these plants contribute to this. The myriad variety of compounds in LSA seeds, cactus, shrooms must make it near impossible to nail down. Did you notice in that movie Dirty Pictures that Shulgins work at the end focused entirely on cactus? One shot Ann points to a hillside garden and mentions it's all various species of cacti.
