love 2c-i so much.

but my vendor has gone under.

i'm yet to try 2c-b or 2c-t-7... or any other 2c 'cept for 2c-e. how would you rank the 2c's?

 

im lookin to order some nbomes to try
25i is way better then 2ci ;p

 

I don't really view these chems as like different flavors of sodas or ice cream or whatever. I believe each chem has the potential to elicit transformative, mindblowing psychedelic experiences and most all of them have something unique to offer.

However to entertain your question, from my own experiences and taking into account what I read from others...

1. 2cb
2. 2ce
3. 2ct7
4. 2ci
5. 2ct2
6. 2cc
7. 2cp

If you like 2ci alot, I think you would probably enjoy 2cb and 2cc a great deal.

 

this is true. i just have a thing for ranking stuff and making lists.

i think i have a source for 2c-t-7 but i can't find 2c-b anywhere. i'm assuming 2c-b will be my favorite once i find it.

 

i'm pleased with that list, having tried only the "best" two

 

I agree that they can't really be ranks objectively, but my ranking is very different:

1. 2c-e
2. 2c-p
3. 2c-t-7
4. 2c-t-2
5. 2c-b
6. 2c-i
7. 2c-n
8. 2c-c

I also really love 2c-e, but I'm just not a big fan of 2c-b (as so many others are) and I've had a particularly glowing experience with 2c-p although its not for everyone and I just like 2c-t-7 because it comes so close to mescaling (but its certainly not the same). I find 2c-i too stimulating and I don't like 2c-n because of the body load and 2c-c is too week IMHO.

<3 2c-e

Should we inclode Nbome's? because then 25-c seems to be great, while I don't really like 2c-c...

Yeah, sometimes nbomes are sooo much better than their 2c* counterparts. i and c being great examples...

 

2c-i is a big fluffy pillow.

 

I tried 2C-I by mistake, didn't like it at all. Thought I was taking MDMA... that shit ruined my whole night.

 

surely you would like it under different circumstances. i mean if you're not expecting a psychedelic and suddenly you get one... i could see somebody not liking it. i'd like it but i could see someone not liking it.

with that said i hate it when things are sold as ecstasy that don't have mdma in it. i mean if it's 2c-i just sell it as 2c-i.

 

have you (or anyone) tried other NBOMes besides 25-I and 25-C?

i've always wondered about 25-E, 25-B...i know 25-D has made the (or at least some) rounds.

what was your dose range of 2cb? why didn't you like it? i have a very hard time saying which one of -b and -e i like better. they are about "equal" for different reasons

 

I haven't tried 25-e, but if its anything like 2c-e I would think I'd love it. i've heard good things about it..

And with 2c-b, it might have just been my personaly situational experience with it that ruined it. The first time I tried it I took 20mg outdoors with friends and ended up being surrounded by bad acid tripps and social drama. After that I tried it at underwhelming dosages (12-16mg) for the and I really enjoyed the faintly "sci-fi" feeling it gave everything. After that I tried it at propper dosages (of 20mg+) and I enjoyed it but no more than 2c-e and I found the body load unpleasant. After that I had a good experience on 25-30mg and my last experience was terrible: I stupidly forgot I had taken the MAOI anti-depressant selegeline and decided to dose upwards of 35mg, maybe even 45. I had an extended 12hr+ difficult trip marked by symptoms of seretonin syndrome.

A lot of that can be attributed to set+setting problems, but overall, I find 2c-b overrated. It's been a year since I've taken any, so maybe I just need to find a perfect setting and dose in the right range on my own in a dark room or with a few close, trusted trippers.

My comparison overall might also be a little biased because I lost my tripping virginity to 2c-e and had a fantastic time, so it has a really special place in my heart. I also really like how 2c-e has a perfect mix of candy-ness and euphoria and a lot of depth and mystical darkness (especially near the end).

 

I definitely think your experiences with the bee are marred by bad luck and bad set/setting. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea but you should take 50mg in a beautiful, colorful, warm loving environment with lots of music and fire and things to do, preferably with a loved one, and then see how it compares. I feel the bee is in a special category of it's own when it comes to 2c's, it's a surprisingly gentle and delicate thing that needs to be nurtured without social drama or physical illness

 

what is your favorite dose of 2ce? seems like your 2cb doses are a little on the low side. i enjoy less than 20 mg of 2ce (17-19 mg), but haven't had any in about 2 years. 2cb i've tried several times more recently.

sort of like you, i lost my RC virginity to 2ce, so it holds that special place. (i re-looked and saw 2ce was your 1st psychedelic EVER, i tried LSD and mushrooms first) i have been as far out on 2ce as i have been on LSD, my all time favorite. 2ce just doesn't do it in as good of a way as good ol' LSD does

i'm also curious what bodyload 2cb gives you that isn't worse on 2ce? do you mean stimulation? i've heard CS say 2cb is super stimulating. wasn't for me. 2cb did give me a bit of a headache, and maybe GI discomfort, but 2ce is worse.

i love the trip from 2ce, but the negative side effects suck. the trip is awesome because of it's intensity, chaotic nature, and mix of "candy" and introspection like you mentioned.

i love the 2cb trip because it is gentle, "fluffy," "soft"
it's like being made love to from the inside out
it felt to me that it had a little something to it, to make it more "complete" than 2ce, even though it is much more easy-going.

i do think that 2cb could be over-rated in a way, from it's online status, as well as it's (il)legal status. people think it must be awesome if it's illegal and harder to get than other 2cx

...and no previous MAOI dose!

i've never taken 2cb around a fire (or 2ce). that can only make things better i'm sure! 2cb around candlelight was amazing enough. i think upon your recommendation, writer



i've taken up to 44 mg of 2cb. anywhere from 30-44 has been great for me, with side effects increasing with dose. 36 might be a rough sweet spot. but 28 mg was basically not effective one time
i actually had a lackluster sort of negative trip on 34 mg once (looking over my records). and i've tried this batch of 2cb..6 times + one low dose with LSD + 2 times with a different batch, 20 then 30 mg gave a 'plus 1' at best. i've tried 2ce 20 times i think. i will "try" it again a small number of times

 

I enjoy 2cb alot but I kind of agree about it being overrated or perhaps I feel 2ci is often underrated. I'm a big fan of MDMA so I like the common dose ranges of those chems as they both have an empathogenic undertone to them and I feel once they sort of turn a corner on higher doses, that aspect of the trip kind of falls out but going by your favorite 2cx chems you might enjoy that. As Porkstock mentioned about 2cb and Op mentioned about 2ci they are very 'fluffy' but I always found 2ci had more of a mature tone to the trip that I rarely experienced on 2cb, I also found 2ci more potent so that always surprised me to hear many people who are really into more hard tripping take so well to 2cb. But I do find 2cb's physical effects rather benign at common dose ranges, unlike 2ci, so I find it interesting you find it unpleasant.

 

Firstly, I have done some high dose 2cb trips, but I think it might just have a negative place in my mind because of one bad experience and 2c-e a positive one because of a few particularly shining experiences. I never got the negative side-effects from 2c-e that a lot of people mention, and I always really liked its stimulation. I find that the euphoria mixed with chaos of the trip brought me to some reall interesting places.

A lot must be said for 2c-b, though. The times I have had good experiences with it, I've gotten a really, really cool futuristic, fluffy vibe off of it if that makes any sense.

I probably just need to go for a good dose in the right atmosphere to learn to truly appreciate this compound.

And, for dosing on 2c-e, my first time was 20mg or so and I've tried 25, 30 and lower doses of 12-17. I would say you're right. Just under 20 is the nicest spot for 2c-e, unless you're into the wacko shit, which is up around 60mg.

I never venture much higher than 45mg doses on any 2c* though. After a bit of existantial distress and bad headspace I have been really working on myself psychologically though and mentally conditioning myself over the last few months. I am really progressing as a psychonaut and I think I am beginning to be ready to dive back into the high dose hallucinogen world again and start to have more positive experiences. So I might do some high dose 2c*s sometime soon.

 

^^^well i can vouch for ~45 mg of 2cb. it was very nice! there's probably a trip report around here somewhere.

so what makes ~19 mg 2ce "better" than 25 or 30?
my next dose of 2ce could be 19 or 20 mg, or i could push my personal boundaries a bit and go with 25 mg.

 

i never got much euphoria from 2c-e. a lot of body awareness but no noticeable euphoria... this may be because i never went over 30mg. not like 2c-i where my top dose was a foolish 80mg. but i had a bit of a phen tolerance and i did it in multiple doses so it probably wasn't that risky. but what was it that killed that kid in the south? 70mg i think...?

but yeah, while i enjoy 2c-i more i had more productive introspection with 2c-e. everything felt urgent. i needed to fix these personal problems just urgent.

had some good introspection on 2c-i, too, just not as much.

 

I like both 2c-e and 2c-i for their mix of empathogenic affects and psychedelic fun. I just find that 2c-e delivers them in a better package. For me, 2c-e has a better mix of the empathogenic euphoria and the psychedelic introspection and unpredictability and I find the physical side-effects to be negligible. 2c-i seemed to be overstimulating for me.

It's all very subjective and qualitative, though. I will certainly try a few more trials of -i and -b, as I probably haven't tried them enough to have a really good opinion on the subject.

Aside from the -e, -i, -b debate, what did you guys think of 2c-p?

I found it to be very different from its chemical cousins, but I had a really really special experience on it. I really enjoyed the longer duration and I found the non-visual psychedelic side to be super interesting. It showed me one of the most important things that a hallucinogen has ever showed me: That I know nothing/

I'm not sure what it is, but for me, just under 20 is the sweet spot, if I'm going for the low-dose experience. It's really hard to say why. I find it pointless to push the dose farther than that unless you're gonna go all the way. If I'm in a setting where I'm gonna have to deal with any sort of interaction with people, the world, etc. then 17-19mg or so is perfect, where I'm tripping to an extent that its interesting, but I have no uncomfortable body sensation or confusion of any sort. If I'm gonna go for a high dose, it will be on my own in a dark room

And unfortunately my high ~40+mg 2cb experience went very badly, due to some pharmacological interactions I'll have to try it again and see how it goes now that it's been over a year.

And, btw, what do YOU think about the -p and the -t-7 or -t-2s? Aside from -e, these have been my favourites so far, particularly p and t7

 

2c-i throws my anxiety right in my face. atleast the first time I tried it, it did. I'll have to try again in a meditative way.

 

I wish I liked as 2ce as much as everyone else. I've tried it maybe 4 times with the highest dose around 16mg, but when I did it it was during a very rough part in my life. I look forward to trying it now that I'm starting to feel better and will probably dose around 20mg. I didn't find it euphoric, thought enhancing or music enhancing at all. Pretty much just being really uncomfortable physically while having visuals. That is probably attributable to mind set though.

I loved 2ci on the other hand. I found it to be quite stimulating but not overly stimulating and the body load wasn't bad at all, especially compared to 2ce. I found it pretty euphoric and music enhancing. I also wasn't picky with the music. Damn near everything sounded amazing. It has quite a bit of empathogenic effects to it as well, probably more so than just about anything else that I've done.

I should hopefully be getting some 2cc and 2ct2 soon (Hopefully this week). I think I'll love 2cc and don't really know how I'll feel about 2ct2. If I don't receive it this week I will probably revisit 25i-NBOMe this weekend, which I have yet to try by its self