let's talk about the 2c family...

I loved 2ce. I've heard 2c-t-7 is more of the same goodness in that it's an excellent teacher.
This goes out to the board: I definitely loved how 2ce turned out, I mean deeply psychedelic for someone who doesn't mess with psychs that often.
So then I'm wondering, I definitely want to explore 2ce more, and have the opportunity to, but is there also another good teacher out of the RCs?

The visuals and all that are cool, but i'm looking specifically for RCs and substances that have the ability to open you up, so that are more than JUST pretty colors and speedy feelings. Does t-7 fall into this category as one that can provide "more" in terms of the experience?

I'm looking simply within the 2c family for now, as I'm nowhere near ready to cease my looking at phenalymines. They seem way too powerful and interesting to set aside at this point.

Also, then, for someone who has only had experience with phenalymines, is there a tryptomine that is recommended as a good introductory experience to tryps?

 

2c-t-7 can be extremely therapeutic. from Pihkal:

QUALITATIVE COMMENTS (with 20 mg) A wonderful day of integration and work. Took about 2 hours for the onset. Some nausea on and off-- that seemed to cycle periodically throughout the day. Visuals were great, much like mescaline but less sparkly. Lots of movement and aliveness--velvety appearance and increased depth perception. Neck and shoulder tension throughout the day along with legs. I would periodically notice extreme tightness of muscles, and then relax. Working was very integrative. Back and forth constantly between wonderful God-space--similar to MDMA but more grounded--then always back to sadness. I felt that it really showed me where I was unfinished, but with self-loving and tolerance. Tremendous processing and letting go. Seeing things very clearly and also able to laugh at my trips. Lots of singing. In spite of shoulder tension, vocal freedom and facility were very high. I felt my voice integrated and dropped in a way it never had before, and that remained for several days. Able to merge body, voice, psyche and emotions with music and then let go of it as a role. I also realized and gave myself permission to do whatever it takes to get free. I let go of Dad with tragic arias. The next day I let go of Mom by singing Kaddish for her, and merging with it.

(with 20 mg) I lay down with music, and become engrossed with being as still as possible. I feel that if I can be totally, completely still, I will hear the inner voice of the universe. As I do this, the music becomes incredibly beautiful. I see the extraordinary importance of simply listening, listening to everything, to people and to nature, with wide open receptivity. Something very, very special happens at the still point, so I keep working on it. When I become totally still, a huge burst of energy is released. And it explodes so that it takes enormous effort to quiet it all down in order to be still again. Great fun.

(with 25 mg) This was a marvelous and strange evening. This 2C-T-7 is good and friendly and wonderful as I remember it. I think it is going to take the place of 2C-T-2 in my heart. It is a truly good material. I got involved with a documentary on television. It was about certain people of Bolivia, people living in the high mountains and about a small village which--perhaps alone among all the places in the country--maintains the old Inca ways, the old traditions, the old language. Which is, I gather, against the law in Bolivia. It showed a yearly meeting of shamans and it was quite clear that hallucinogens played a major part in this meeting. The shaman faces, male and female, were startling in their intensity and earthy depth. The Virgin Mary is worshipped as another version of the ancient Pacha Mama, the Earth Mother. Wonderful dark, vivid look at places and people who are not usually to be seen or even known about.

a good trypt to start with is 4-aco-dmt. or mushrooms if you can get them.

 

For me 2c-t-7 was less of a mind fuck and more just visuals and a body high. I think 2c-e is better for learning than 2c-t-7 is.

 

have you tried t7 yet?

 

yes at 20mg and 30mg, with almost no effects

 

the 2c-t-x's have very subjective doses. i've only tried t-2...some people [including myself] got nice mild effects from ~12mg...others felt NOTHING off of 20.


but i'd like to eventually try 2c-t-7...i hope that it has the "mysticism" that 2c-e seems to lack a bit.

 

Don't shut 2C-E out just yet. Keep an extremely open mind and expect nothing, that shit will dig you out right from underneath.

 

Sounds similar to my experience with this substance.
Up it to between 40 and 50, and you should notice a MASSIVE difference.

 

Uh, 2c's cause me major HPPD

Talked.

 

my early trips with 2ce, it seemed to be a pretty good "teacher"
one year and ~16 2ce trips later, the magic has waned a bit, but not much. i'm hoping that my limited trials with 2cp might offer more in the way of opening up or a deeper experience.

but i'm ready to give (synthetic) tryptamines a try now


anyone tried both 2cp and 2ct2? structurally, i'd think they'd be pretty similar. but looking at the space filling molecules at wiki, it seems like the carbon chain comes off the SIDE of the sulfur atom (2ct2). does it REALLY do that? otherwise, the substituent at the 4 position is almost identical.

 

2c-i is the 2c-x who teach me the most. I prefer it over 2c-e.
2c-t7 has very good for visual. Different but same quality as 2c-b for visual.
2c-t-2 was the worst of 2c i tried. It give me too much bodyload to appreciate the trip.

 

did 25mg 2c-e last night. amazing. what an awesome drug, awesome psychedelic, and awesome experience. Reminded me of LSD a lot, but without the mental magic. But the feeling of being SO ALIVE is incredible. 2c-e is the shit, I find it extremely euphoric, positive, and erotic.

 

glad you like it bro.

you haven't had a full on experience with 2cp yet have you?

 

Yeah its weird. When I got the 2c-t-7 i read the dose was around 20mg, so i started with 15mg and nothing, tried 25 and nothing. Had to dose at 50mg which i heard was a high dose but it was perfect. 6 or 7 different people tried it all from 50mg to 65mg and we found that was the perfect dose.

 

no still haven't assayed the 2c-p properly yet

 

you should write a report about 2ce

we're all waiting


i might have to try out 25 mg next time. in a couple months when my tolerance is (hopefully) back down to zero.

 

i did the 25mg the day after i did 30mg 2c-t-7 so i had tolerance. i'll do a tr when i do 30mg on no tolerance.

 

Fuck 2c-e. I seriously think that it is the worst of the chems I have tried. Gave the rest of what I had away (~150mg)

 

Awesome drug. I haven't had L in years so can't really compare, but that was one thing I kind of liked about the 2ce is I felt that at any moment if something life threatening were to happen or if I were to NEED to perform I could at least function, like make an emergency phone call or whatever. Like the drug would let you get WAAAAAY out there but still retain the ability to "pull yourself back" if you had to. Does that make sense? I don't know. maybe i need even more next time.

I think I'm on board with a lot of others on wanting to experience this stuff again. It really has some amazing potentials. I was looking for a replacement for L and Shrooms, as I had trouble stomaching shrooms last time, and instead found something I assume to be different in nature than L, definitely felt less "organic" than shrooms if that makes sense, but it was still a powerful and deep teacher when the time was right.

 

Fuck, I wish I had some money to play around with...I think Im gonna take my first PEA ride soon. 2C-C interests me alot, wish it was in the sample pack.