Lets Change The Way The World Works

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  1. emeraldreamer

    emeraldreamer Member

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    Lets change the way the world works...watch the video...please share....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnKwZZmHYgY
     
  2. OldDude2

    OldDude2 Newbie

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    You'd need to kill America before you started.
     
  3. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    America is working on that themselves.
     
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  4. Piaf

    Piaf Senior Member

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    Nope, sorry.

    I decided nope after "black people struggling against violence in America".

    Aren't ALL people struggling against violence?
    If you're going to emphasize race right from the start, then no thanks.
    Blacks are not the only victims of violence.

    anyways, they start with middle east wars and black people, then go on about standing rock and the pipeline (which is related to their goal, I suppose)
    coming together
    roger bannister running
    they continue with more equality and justice phrases
    RT aljazeera dalai lama pope obama
    boycott banks that are funding the pipeline
    LGBT
    solidarity unity
    let's resolve this issue peacefully
    tweet boycott email
    share this video

    They say a lot, but don't actually say much.
     
  5. Ged

    Ged Tits and Thigh Man.

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    Hopelessly naive.I have strong antipathy to "Coming together as one".I want further degrees of separation.I hope you all enjoy your little protest though.
     
  6. Asmodean

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    I agree it is a bit naive. But wellment. Wouldn't say hopelessly. It could even be videos like these give some people some hope. How hopeless isn't it? :p

    You seem to misinterprete them because you are thinking in generalized terms as usual. They're actually saying that ALL people struggle against injustices, but that they should do it together and not individually. You see 'black lives matter' mentioned and have made your mind up already. Uhm, they are not saying anywhere or even implying that blacks are the only victims of violence.
    Besides: the vid mentions all these different groups because they are working for good courses and against injustices (it is possible we find one of these groups bogus but even if that happens to be the case that doesn't diminish the message of the video)


    It just is a general message. You have that in common with them actually (the couple of times you make a point it is also never really in depth and specific) :D
     
  7. Ged

    Ged Tits and Thigh Man.

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    All this socially conscious stuff is like a kind of inverse fascism,telling you what it's permissible to think and do.It's a kind of brainwashing.
     
  8. Asmodean

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    All movements have something to tell. Then a lot of people who don't see the purpose or are just plain against the message would put it as an attempt at controlling or brainwashing.

    Thing is: SOME of that socially conscious stuff is indeed resembling a kind of an inverse fascism. To put it as if it is all and every one of them is where you are distorting things. And where is this present in this particular video?
    They have a message but they are not telling us what is permissible to think and what is not. They are putting it like if you agree with what we are saying and are a member of one of the banks supporting an injustice as that pipeline you might wanna think twice about keeping your account there. That they are putting it a bit more blunt (but not in a ridicilous way at all) doesn't make it brainwashing yet.
    Change can be made if a whole lot of people make a relatively tiny effort. It may be a cliche but yeah. It's still true.
     
  9. Ged

    Ged Tits and Thigh Man.

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    I haven't got a gripe with people protesting single issue problems,and those from both the right and the left sometimes join up to do so.It's when so called progressives try to make a blanket of all their pet causes as an all-encompassing mindset.They have a tendency to want everyone to think the same and hold the same values.There has always been an unresolved conflict between libertarian individualism,which is where I position myself,and the socially conscious left.I am also suspicious of globalization,and a one size fits all consensus politics,and the people in the op's video seem to be espousing that.
     
  10. Asmodean

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    Thanks for explaining :)

    I think that unresolved conflict is often made bigger than it really is. But being suspicious of (certain aspects that come with) globalisation is only reasonable of course. It doesn't mean though that every person or argument that is calling for/involves unification is a brainwashed follower of globalisation though (not that you were saying that). I mean, a changing world and society is inevitable, it is just a fact. The way we deal with it is not set.
    Some seem to think we should hold on to the past because of the uncertainties that come with all this inevitable change. I'm all for keeping the good things from the past, and even am for some traditions that technically could be defined as bogus. But hey, if they're part of our culture and people care about them we keep it of course.
    The thing is: some certainties from the past people would like to hold on to are not certainties in the future. Others already know this. This is why people are making vids like in the OP and come up with such messages, and sometimes even begin resembling a thing like a movement. I have heard many insightful statements regarding the banks and their dubious practices. It is clear that if the majority of customers would not stand for it they could make a giant impact. This is just one simple example.
     
  11. Ged

    Ged Tits and Thigh Man.

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    Listen.I can help and love individual people one at a time,have concern for their welfare and safety if I am actually within their social and physical orbit,but I can't feel and make all this real as an abstract concept for complete strangers who I haven't met and never will.I care first for myself,family and friends.I think that is only natural.
     
  12. Asmodean

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    What are you saying with that in regards to the OP? That you can't do both because...? It's impossible or too much effort to be progressive together (like society-wise) because you care first for your self, family and friends (which is indeed natural to put first, and not dubious or something. Not that anybody was putting it like that as far as I know)?
    Just wondering!
     
  13. Ged

    Ged Tits and Thigh Man.

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    I just thought that I was coming across as an uncaring person and I am not.We all have mixed emotions...Like that Rolling Stones song - what is it?
     
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  14. Asmodean

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    Ah ok, no not necessarily thinking that. Just wondering why people who diss the whole message of the OP would do so. Some people give solid explanations (and no, it's not about wether I agree with it or not ;) it is really just about explaining what we think. Its becoming rarer, people love to hang in stereotypes and generalisations and blanket statements, which I why I show some appreciation when people actually do it), others proof to be rather sheepish.

    Like when they see something like 'black lives matters' mentioned and immediately made their mind up :p (look, I don't think its the most sympathetic group either and a part of it is indeed doing dubious things but man, that''s really not the point in this thread, nor is it reasonable in any way to base a conviction on the OP or the vid in it. It just says 'I am annoyed with these people and don't want to spend any minute risking a chance this has something to do with these black lives matter people' :p)
     
  15. Meliai

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    It wasnt as naive as I thought it would be

    Bringing back honest, investigative journalism and a boycott of banks that support projects you dont agree with. Sounds fine to me. Voting with your dollar and staying informed are two of the most concrete ways of fighting injustice in the world.
     
  16. Wu Li Heron

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    America already has all the honesty, equality, and justice that money can buy. These are obviously people who just don't have the money to buy them and don't know how to beg on the corner with the rest.
     

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