Leftism vs Rightism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Inquiring-Mind, Mar 16, 2006.

  1. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    Leftism = Maximize personal/social freedom but restrict economic freedom to achieve equity, equality, harmony, peace, and progress. The left creates social programs and uses progressive taxing to achieve this.

    Rightism = Minimize personal/social freedom and maximize economic freedom leading to inequality, inequity, regression, disharmony, war, poverty, crime, classism, and elitism. The right favors the rich and screws the poor by cutting social programs, implementing regressive taxing and spending more in security like army and police. Army to maintain their order and police to keep the working class in place and check.

    Leftism without democracy leads to totalitarian regimes.
    Rightism without democracy leads to feudalistic societies.
    Rightism with democracy breeds unseen oligarchies and plutocracies.

    Rightism seeks to minimize personal/social freedom to maintain the status quo of elite economic freedom.

    Under capitalism the state and government work in favour of the elites because they surpassed the economic freedom of the majority creating an inequality.


    Right = Economic individualism and social collectivism
    Left = Economic collectivism and social individualism
    Right = Negative liberty
    Left = Positive liberty




    Matthew Arnold (1822-1888): "Our inequality materializes our upper class, vulgarizes our middle class, brutalizes our lower class."


    Larry King (1995):"I can't stand the pompous among us who complain about welfare. The biggest welfare recipients in the United States are the richest people."
     
  2. Pointbreak

    Pointbreak Banned

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    There is no freedom without economic freedom.
     
  3. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Well said.
     
  4. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    There is no freedom with absolute economic freedom.

    Economic anarchy overrides social freedom.
     
  5. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    Socialism without liberty is cruelty, liberty without socialism is injustice.


    Absolute economic freedom exists only for the rich to get richer. Elites/rightists penetrate social freedom to keep the masses busy and distracted. Gay marriage, abortion, and internet censorship are a form of distractions.
     
  6. _chris_

    _chris_ Marxist

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    there is no freedom whilst you work, and add all value to a commodity, yet make very little from it
     
  7. Tainted

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    Yes there is, freedom to quit that job if you want, freedom to spend the money you make by working however you want. Freedom to do the kind of work you want.
     
  8. Justwow

    Justwow Banned

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    No, the right is'nt like that, and neither is the left.
     
  9. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    Inquiring-Mind, go study your notes on your own time.
     
  10. Angel_Headed_Hipster

    Angel_Headed_Hipster Senior Member

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    dude the only reason americans have the right in the first place to speak out and ask questions is due in part to capitalism, due to this econimic policy anyone can make money from selling goods, meaning any peace activist group can use capitalism (I.E selling shirts and necklaces) as a means to get money, which is then used to fight against something they disagree with.
     
  11. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Another retarded thread.
     
  12. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    Another useless comment.
     
  13. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    CAPITALISM = Basing human value STRICTLY on a monetary scale (i.e. capital). The Strong survive, the Weak die. The Strong = RICH, The Weak = POOR.

    There has to be a better way to govern and combine ways to barter, trade and determine value without a system based on monetary "capital". What that is could be argued as socialism or communism, but I feel that there has to be a mixture of a free market, yet regulated and kept in check.

    I think that a good balance is necessary. Anti-trust type laws, certain regulations are necessary to the checks and balances of the economic system. Thus, I find myself being an advocate of a free market yet with TRUE equal "opportunity" for anyone.

    And regardless of what anyone says... everyone does NOT have equal opportunity. We have a long, long way to go yet.
     
  14. Megara

    Megara Banned

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    how could we ever have equal oppurtunity? Idiots are at a disadvantage. Maybe they should be a protected class. Lets add them to AA.
     
  15. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    Idiots don't exist. AA exists to even out past injustices.
     
  16. Megara

    Megara Banned

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    if they put their talent to use, yes.

    Should a rocket scientist make more than joe redneck who flips burgers at mcdonalds? Ayup.

    DO you believe they should make the same amount?
     
  17. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    But what if they were born with the same potential but to different socio-economic groups and because of that one got educated the other didn’t, so one went on to be a rocket scientist and the other had to flip burgers to get by.

    What a waste of potential due solely to unequal opportunity.
     
  18. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    god is unfair
     
  19. hippie_chick666

    hippie_chick666 Senior Member

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    To use the terms "leftism" and "rightism" is way too vague. Can you be specific about what you mean? Generally speaking, on the right, there is Fascism and Conservatism, while on the left there is Liberalism, socialism, and Communism, each with their own nuances. Politics isn't black or white; there are MANY shades of grey...

    Peace & love
     
  20. Megara

    Megara Banned

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    I think you missed my point. Assuming everything is equal, a smart person is more likely to succeed than a stupid person. That is why i said we'll never have equal oppurtunity. We aren't born equal. I wasn't born as smart as einstein or as good looking as brad pitt. I'm at a disadvantage in becoming a science genius and a model/actor. Should i get AA benefits so i can become a scientist and a GQ model? Heck NO!

    We are equal under the law. That is all.
     
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