Leftism brought every freedom you enjoy today.

The 18/19th century in the U.S saw many changes in regards equality of opportunity and welfare and equality of rights in the work place.

Socialist/communist/anarchist movements brought freedom to the citizens of the U.S. It is ironic that the political process despises many socialists/anarchists today.

 

The social archetects of the New World Order will use whatever revolution they can to sway people into their game. Back then, leftists like the Bolsheviks were aided in their rise to power by the same people bringing capitalism to power. Once the NWO has created and used up a phony revolution, they burn it and move on to the next one, rallying all the people into their net, so to speak.

The movements to freedom that you speak of, (Africans gaining citicezship, etc) were more caused by true FREEDOM that "Leftist movements"
It's not "Left VS Right" its "The State VS You", freedom vs slavery.
The Left_Right scale is part of their slave system, to file you into a line of thinking, to oppose the so called "evil" people on the opposite side of the fake scale.
See?

 

Funny how the countries which had the strongest communist/socialist/anarchist movements (i.e. the countries where those movements seized power) saw catastrophic results, e.g. ruined economies and totalitarianism.

 

Nice vague assertion. How about specific examples?

 

Kblaze

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I once asked you how you would tackle ‘the conspiracy’ and you seemed to say that just ‘outing’ might work.

“Infact, if they were outed, I wouldn't want to publicly kill them or anything, instead, I would point and laugh and let them keep living, because anywhere they'd go people would throw food at them and nonstop aggrivation and probably somebody crazier than me would kill them, if they didn't retreat on some island where they can all boss eachother around and jack eachother off. They're jokers. I feel bad for them”

How can these people be so powerful and so weak?

You seem to claim ‘the conspiracy’ has control over all left and right wing politics from extreme communism to the freest of laissez-faire capitalism, have directed the whole of human history from its first civilisations to the most resent of events.

But they are so weak that if people knew about them they would just skulk away to ‘some island’.

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Kblaze, as far as I can tell you seem to be some type of anarchist?

“Guess what? YOU have the power. Control yourself goddammit. I don't want a government, at all, because any government outside me over myself and you over yourself is bogus. No arguement you can make can change the fact that any government is a concept and a mental crutch. Governments don't even exist. There's men in suits who are believed to have fairy-tale powers of control. Not over me. Not over you, either. You control yourself and always have. Government is not real; it is a con people use to get you to give them power.”

You wish to have no government, are you also saying that you would have no money? How in your opinion would this ‘non-system’ work? What would be the philosophy? Would it be based on the communal, co-operation , equality and consensus which I would call left wing ideas. Or would it be more along the lines of social Darwinism with every individual competing with every other individual for advantage other the other, with the ‘stronger’ winning out over the ‘weaker’ which is more the right wing approach.

Also how would you stop your system being taken over by ‘the conspiracy’?

I’m just curious.

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It's not "Left VS Right" its "The State VS You", freedom vs slavery.

What does "The State VS You" actually mean in your opinion?

Who do you think would try and control things if suddenly tomorrow there was no state?

If there is no democratic means for the people to be represented or lead who does it?

Think about it no laws against guns, no laws against theft or murder and no mechanisms by which thieves and murderers can be caught, tried or punished. Now the rich might be able to hire the guards to protect them but what about others?

“The Left_Right scale is part of their slave system, to file you into a line of thinking, to oppose the so called "evil" people on the opposite side of the fake scale.”

Who are the ‘they’ in “their slave system”?

Why ‘evil’? Many of the people with who are have opposing views are decent people, I might think their views are wrong or misguided but that doesn’t mean I think them ‘evil’.

Why is it fake? People on the left think in some ideas, ideals and theories and people on the right have different ideas, ideals and theories, why are they fake? Are you saying there is no difference between the differing viewpoints or that it doesn’t matter what viewpoint a person has or are you claiming that all the viewpoints and all the philosophies in the entire world are fake?

 

Referring to countries were communists have seized power is vague? Er... right.

 

LOL

Oh Point and of course you think that only those countries have ever had ruined economies and tyranny?

And what next you believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?

Come on man you can think up better wind-ups than that it is just too transparent.

 

So tell us about Pre-Communist Cuba then PB. A real utopia of social justice and mass opportunity wasn't it? Batista being the champion of truth and light that he was.

Best you head back to school for some serious historical revision.

 

Way to go Lick, you put your mind to it and came up with a communist country. See, you can do it if you try.


Pre Castro Cuba sucked. It was oppressive and corrupt. Although by many measures it was actually better off than a lot of other countries in the region.
The thing is, Cuba traded one tyranny for another, except that the second tyranny was a dead end.

In comparison, Taiwan and South Korea were also US friendly tryannies. However, Taiwan and Korea developed into prosperous democracies while Cuba has gone nowhere. Similar to Chile under Pinochet - Pinochet left behind a prospering country which made the transition (return) to democracy smoothly. Castro will leave behind nothing but ruins.

Anyway, its fun to see you sympathising with Castro and Lukashenko. Is there a leftist thug you won't arse lick?

 

Bullshit until you proof your claims.

 

Cuba:

Telephones: 7 per hundred people

Cell phones: 7 per thousand people

Internet users: 1 per thousand (with permit only, access restricted by secret police)

Chile:

Telephones: 21 per hundred people

Cell phones: 621 per thousand people

Internet users: 279 per thousand (no permit needed)

 

Bullshit until you provide a credible source.

 

So, freedom and liberty = stuff?

 

He was proving the economic results of the left.

 

source, pls.

 

I think most people would rather have food in their belly and a roof over their head, then phones and internet access.

 

Most people tend to pay for food first, so if you're living in a country which has the luxuries of internet and telephones widespread, most likely that country has a pretty good standard of living.

 

Your forget the unequal distrabution of wealth, one person could have 6 phones while another is homeless.

 

The thing about Cuba is one it is not a communist state just another place that claims to be communist and the other it has suffered 60 years of sanctions.

Remember that Nixon of all people said - after having a meet with Castro at the White House - that he was "naïve" but not necessarily a communist.

The hostility came about when as part of his land reforms he began taking land from US corporations and give as compensation the value the corporations said it was worth in their tax returns. These corporations complained to Washington and Eisenhower banned the import of sugar into the US, Castro retaliated and nationalised US owned property and businesses. To survive Castro turned to the Soviet Union and adopted ‘communist’ policies.

Many people argue that in fact the US blockade and hostility has helped Castro hold on to power rather than diminish it. The theory states that if the US had not brought in the blockade Castro’s policies would not have been so extreme and he would not have needed to have turned to Russia for help. It is also argued that if the US had continued to traded with the island it is likely that Cubans would have become ‘corrupted by capitalism’.

Others argue however that if the US had been more accepting Cuba could have been a model socialist like country with a stable and rich economy attached to a comprehensive welfare state, and may even have become democratic.

But of course we will never know if these theories are correct.

We do know that the Castro government came to define itself in relationship to the very clear hostility of successive US governments. Many may not like Castro but believe allowing US domination to return is worse.

As to Cuban human rights record it is bad but then so is the human rights record of the US and many regimes that the US has supported in Latin America over the years.

 

This is the classic diversionary argument. Sort of a junior version of Chomsky.


Is Cuba bad? Perhaps what is more interesting is the ways the US is guilty of making Cuba bad.

Perhaps Cuba is bad, but other countries are worse.

"Many people argue", "many people may not like Castro", etc. You see? No opinions here, just speculation as to what other people might think.

Because Castro has no consciousness, no free will. His actions are reactions to our actions. Thus ultimately if Castro goes communist and ruins the economy, takes away all freedom and parades around making six hour speeches praising the accomplishments of Marxist-Leninist-Castro-beardism, when you think about it, America is to blame. They made him do it.

You are right Psy. Cuba has a very even distribution of phones - nobody has one. This is the brilliance of communism.