Kratom Leaf

Im thinking about ordering some kratom leaf from IAmShaman. Up til now, Ive only ever ordered 15x and 20x extracts, with very positive results. Nevertheless, popular opinion is that the leaf is the only way to truly experience kratom. Ive read that there are varying grades of kratom, Maeng Da, Red Vein, etc. Theres also Private Reserve on IAS. The price difference per oz is pretty dramatic, but Ive also heard from some people that there is very little difference in potency and effects, at least compared to the difference in cost. So what say you? Is Private Reserve worth the money? is red vein any better than standard? The question was posed in a thread a while ago, but no answer given. Also, Im sure that a gram of the 15x is not quite like a half ounce, but what is it like? If I normally take 2 grams of 15x, how much leaf would be equivalent?

 

My first experiments with Kratom where with just plain foilage bo thai in tea bags. Mild euphoria and anti depressant feelings prevalant. Tea was strong and only 2 cups of tea where comfortable after that a uncomfortable feeling was produced. I believe the 15x, 20x extract are used for smoking purposes but Im not 100%. Buy from bouncing bear. I am shaman always messes up my orders.

 

thats odd, i read somewhere (here on the forums i believe) that 15x is actually only 3x and to steer clear of it?

 

Yeah that was from me. If you search the internet you'll find that many people have poor experiences with 15x, and only 15x. Take anything but that, just to be safe. The best Kratom on IAS is the Red Vein i believe, i have some myself right now, its good stuff, but you need to drink like 10g worth to get a strong buzz. I like to make it an occasional treat, also since there is some work involved in boiling the tea. You need to stand over it and stir it slowly so the leaves dont stick to your container and press on them occasionally to encourage the alkaloids to release into the water. Do this for about 30 minutes, on low boil. You can then repeat this on the plant matter again and combine both batches and drink this. Make sure you don't have any responsibilities later in the day, you will be surprised at how quickly you will be couch locked.

 

mr.writer...

if you have absolutely no tolerance to opiates do you think 10g is still necessary?

it seems like a lot to me?

 

I just drank 10g last night and felt zero effects

and i dont do opiates

 

I heard the same thing about 15x, which was the only thing Id ever ordered. So the last time I ordered kratom, I got 20x from Shamans Garden, and it was proportionately the same, 1.3 grams was about the same as 2 grams of 15x. Im more interested in the stimulant elements of kratom, for work. I found 1 gram of 20x to be a great coffee substitute, so what might be an equivalent dose of Red Vein? Has anyone ever eaten leaf powder? seems easier than boiling it, but it might make you nauseous.

 

I had a good time with 4 grams of the 15x. I have yet to try the plain leaves.

 

So, I ordered an ounce of premium leaf, and an ounce of Korth red vein from IAS. the premium leaf was about 9 dollars, whereas the red vein was 15. they just arrived, and I was surprised that the premium leaf is powdered, which made using it a little simpler, but nastier. I was planning on diffusing it into boiling water and making a tea, but instead I just threw 7.5 grams into a hot cup of water with lemon juice and drank. I honestly dont mind the taste, but the leaf matter was unpleasant to drink. Ill report back when the effects can be assessed, then later Ill try the red vein and compare.

 

Ok, so I took the premium leaf about an hour and a half ago, and I have to say, Im take aback by how strong it came on. It feels about like a little less than 2 grams of 20x, just from 7.5 gs of leaf. And this was the lower quality leaf!

Like I said, Im more interested in kratom for work, and I can say that this would be too big a dose for work. 4 or 5 grams would probably be the right amount, right now I dont feel like doing much. totally worth the extra nastiness, which wasnt that bad at all, especially considering that one dose only cost me about three bucks. Im looking forward to the red vein, which looks so delicious. I definitely recommend this to anyone who likes kratom extracts but doesnt know if plain leaf is any good, or just doesnt want to bother with it.

 

The reason you guys are getting such shitty effects from kratom is because of the quality you are getting. Find a better vendor!!! Actually I'll do you one better, since I can't post vendors PM me and I will give you some that are very reliable, cheaper, more potent, and have much more respect for ethnobotanicals than I am shitman.

 

where did I say I was getting shitty effects? I believe I said that IAS' kratom leaf surpassed my expectations, and was cheap. Ive looked around at other vendors, IAS is usually the best price, and has the best selection. theyre very reliable (for me at least) and Ive never had a reason to take my business elsewhere.

 

I was more referring to everyone else reports specifically Mr. Writers. I read his post a while back on how he throughly enjoyed the kratom experience (referred to it in much better words than, he has an extremely gifted way with words).

If he took 10 gs on a seperate occasion a recieved no effects either: the leaf he used was garbage and had no potency (btw kratom barely degrades at all) or he improperly dosed. Now that I think about it, if he was using the same leaf as before I'm guessing its the latter.


When you make tea, simply pour hot water over the powder, mix and let it cool. DO NOT STRAIN, this is important, you will experience kratom on a whole other level if you follow my directions. DO NOT STRAIN. Proceed to drink the entire mixture leaf grounds and all. The Thai natives who chew on this leaf chew fresh leaf so you must take appropriate measures to get the most out of dried leaf.

K a little lesson in ethnobotany 101:
Kratom, like most other ethnos is a full-spectrum plant. When you do extractions or make a tea, you miss some of the good stuff that is still in the leaf you are tossing. This is why extracts, though potent, suck. These minor alkaloids contribute to the way kratom feels and are important. Just as poppy tea does not feel the exact same as morphine and codeine mixed so kratom is not just mitragynine (once thought to be the primary active), mitraphylline, and 7-hydroxymitragynine (which is currently the most likely candidate for the primary active chemical in the plant). The other alkaloids work together to produce the amazing feeling of plain leaf.

Eating the grounds will also save you money. You speak of taking 10 to 15 grams with no tolerance. I'll have you know that my normal dose is at most 10 - 12 grams with massive tolerance (to kratom that is) by eating the grounds.

Also eat kratom on an empty stomach (at least 5 hours without food) or you won't feel much. If you eat it on a full stomach don't expect anything you jsut wasted a dose.

 

Ive looked around at other suppliers, IAS is the cheapest, with that level of credibility, so I go with them. I know about the extracts lacking the 'full spectrum', thats why this thread was started. Im pretty sure youre right about Mr writer improperly dosing, but I got spectacular effects from a small dose of their lowest level of leaf. And I took it on a pretty full stomach. you seem to know a bit about kratom, so do you think the red vein or maeng da strains are worth the money, or do you go for regular leaf?

 

It depends on why you enjoy kratom. If you like the speedy effect I would go with a type of Thai (maeng da is the most potent strain of thai, with spiked tip in a close second). I personally love the more euphoric sedating effects of kratom so I usually stick to mainly Bali (known as commercial or premium commercial with many vendors), Malaysian, or Indo. I do find the different types of Thai (red vein, maeng da or otherwise) lose some of the euphoria in place of more speediness.

However with that being said when I do have a little extra money for my kratom (I use almost every day) I like to buy an ounce or two of maeng da and mix it with my Bali. I find the combination to be great and maeng da is a pretty potent strain. The two synergize beautifully as well and it gives the high a little change-up (IMO this combo is great for studying or video gaming). This combo is more money for a little bit nicer, different high (more speedballish) but since since Kratom is my DOC I don't mind spending the extra every once in a while.

I am not a fan of maeng da just on its own, not because it isn't potent - it is and you will need a little less, but because it is too speedy and not euphoric or sedating enough for me. I find maeng da at the moment to be a little overpriced on the market for how much I'm getting, however, if you are going to get a type of Thai get either maeng da or spiked tip, I find red vein to be very weak and so do other users.

 

I am looking for a reliable place to purchase some kratom online, can somone please send me a pm with a site other than IAS

 

I dont think you can receive pms until youve got 20 posts.

 

and i get points by posting in the forums i assume?

 

you get posts that way, yes. But, try google first, I can think of five kratom vendors off the top of my head, theyre not hard to find.

 

i agree they arent hard to find but whats the best one out there that some of you are most comfortable using?