King Blair is Gone! Long Live King Brown!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by skip, Jun 24, 2007.

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  1. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Yes, why have you NOT taken to the streets since 2003? HUH? What's stopping you, especially now, when it's SO important to remind YOUR NEW LEADER that you want out of Iraq?

    At least when we held elections (something YOU DIDN'T DO this time, did you?), we voted in the anti-war candidates. Is Brown antiwar OR NOT? Do you know, do you care or is all this discussion just wasted on you people?
     
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  3. honeyfugle

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    i concur!

    this whole "debate" is driving me up the bloody wall.
     
    honeyfugle, Jul 1, 2007
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  5. Power_13

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    So correcting your use of poorly-used quotes is naivity?
     
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  7. Power_13

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    Also, why do you have to make one post every quote? It makes this a real pain in the arse to read.
     
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  9. honeyfugle

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    hello?

    proof?
     
    honeyfugle, Jul 1, 2007
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    Uh, I NEVER said that at all. That was not in any of my references and looks like someone else's interpretation of why it was done, no more valid than your suggestion that the agreement was signed because the Brits needed nuclear tipped trident missiles to fight for the Falklands.

    If there is ANY truth that Thatcher wanted to commit future British leaders to defending America, it's more than likely due to various paranoid fears she had about what might happen in the future, and to ensure the US would defend Britain if the situation is reversed.

    And yes, rather that ATTACKING THE MESSENGER who brings you Bad news, you should instead be trying to see how this FACT explains so many things that didn't make sense before, like WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING IN IRAQ?

    Also you might want to speculate as to WHAT GUARANTEES Thatcher got from America in that agreement, besides the missile sale, which benefits the US defense contractors at least as much as Britain.

    Power13, you seem like you enjoy researching this. Got any military contacts you can tap? I know a few UK forumers do.

    The rest of you can use your BRAINS for a change and THINK about what this means instead of wasting time in denial. I'm looking forward to you all getting ANGRY as that is the next stage...
     
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  13. skip

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    OK, YOU ARE DEFINITELY FUCKING STUPID.

    PLEASE LOOK UP THE WORD SECRET AND THEN COME BACK HERE.

    POST AGAIN WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT SECRET MEANS, AND I'LL HAVE TO BAN YOUR ASSES.

    You have violated the forum guidelines with repetitive postings (as I've had to illustrate to you by repeating mine)
     
    skip, Jul 1, 2007
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  15. skip

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    HELLO, REPEATIVE POSTS MAKE YOU SUBJECT TO BANNING.

    LEARN WHAT THE WORD SECRET MEANS.
     
    skip, Jul 1, 2007
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  17. honeyfugle

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    you still haven't given any hard evidence.

    just because i'm not willing to swallow your tripe without a bit of proof, it doesn't mean i'm in denial, it means i'm thinking for myself and questioning your authority.
    WAIT, isn't that what you're always tell us to do?
     
    honeyfugle, Jul 1, 2007
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  19. lithium

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    What? As I said, stop the war coalition has organised demonstrations up and down the country since 2003. There is a big annual one every March on the anniversary of the war and lots of smaller ones. As I said, the anti-war platform is still very vocal and active. As I said, a majority of the country is opposed to the Iraq debacle...
     
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  21. skip

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    Here for you illiterates or those who can't be bothered to look in a dictionary...

    The definition of SECRET...

    Kept hidden from knowledge or view; concealed.
    Dependably discreet.
    Operating in a hidden or confidential manner: a secret agent.
    Not expressed; inward: their secret thoughts.
    Not frequented; secluded: wandered about the secret byways of Paris.
    Known or shared only by the initiated: secret rites.
    Beyond ordinary understanding; mysterious.
    Containing information, the unauthorized disclosure of which poses a grave threat to national security.

    If I provided you proof, it wouldn't be a secret now would it.
    Like the secret detention centers
    Like the secret CIA flights that your gov't allowed to land on your soil against the Geneva Conventions
    Like the secret laws that have been passed in both our countries since 9/11
    Like the secret PLUMBERS that Cheney used to spread ANTHRAX around the USA
    Like the secret payments that were made to Prince Bandar with Blair's OK
    etc., etc. etc.

    Because it's a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE, your gov't won't make it public.

    Do I need to explain it more? OR are you just that thick?
     
    skip, Jul 1, 2007
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  23. honeyfugle

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    ok, so you have no proof it exists.

    so, in my mind it does NOT exist.
     
    honeyfugle, Jul 1, 2007
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    'fraid not. Only link to the military I have is my old childhood ambition of joining the air force. :D

    As for the mention of tying the hands of future PMs, it's from the original source:

    Even if it weren't her intention, it would certainly be a consequence.

    As I said, it's not that I don't believe it. I certainly think it's possible. I'm just not sure as to why Thatcher would agree to such a thing.
     
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  27. lithium

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    Brown was and is a supporter of the war, something I mentioned a few pages back on this thread. There weren't elections because it was a resignation of the leader of the party. In the UK we elect a party for a term of five years by a majority of MPs, not a president...
     
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  29. Power_13

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    Whoa, easy now. I'm WELL AWARE of what secret means. But I'm sure I said this before...you can't just say "there's no proof, it's a secret" and have that as your evidence. I could say that Bush is the Dark Lord Xenu and is secretly plotting against Scientologists to destroy them via Thetans. Proof? Hey, I said it's a SECRET! [​IMG]


    Also, yeah, we vote for the party we want to have in power, not the leader of the party. That's the way it's always been. The same procedure would have gone on a hundred years ago.
     
    Power_13, Jul 1, 2007
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  31. skip

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    My point about this is that YOU DIDN'T elect Brown, which means the ONLY mandate he has isn't YOURS, is it? He can damn well go do whatever he wants now, right?

    So you're still committed to the war, still committed to being America's DOORMAT, POODLE, whatever, and thus NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.

    Enjoy your terror attacks... You get what you deserve.

    Don't worry America will get hers too.
     
    skip, Jul 1, 2007
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  33. honeyfugle

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    but you could say that for anything!

    skip, take it from me: there are too many holes in your arguments to make this an equal debate! you are clearly losing this argument and digging yourself into a rather deep hole!
     
    honeyfugle, Jul 1, 2007
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  35. skip

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    Honey, baby, if you DON'T address the issue don't bother to post. Last warning.

    Yes, I guess you ALL would rather BELIEVE the PROOF your country offered that there were WMD in Iraq, that they could be USED on Britain within 45 minutes, and that the only way to avoid attack was to invade Iraq...

    Yes, that was IRREFUTABLE proof.

    Get real. Even if I provided you a signed statement by Thatcher, you would deny it still.

    Anymore requests that I "PROVE" anything to your satisfaction will be met with a permanent ban, got it?
     
    skip, Jul 1, 2007
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  37. lithium

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    As for why the UK is still in Iraq, it's the same reason that the US is still in Iraq. They imagined it to be in their strategic interests, and have committed themselves to a course of action. I'm sure a large part of it is to do with energy security. In the case of Blair a large part of his consideration would undoubtedly have been the strategic "special relationship" with the US and agreements he supposedly reached with Bush in (I think?) April 2002, according to then cabinet minister Clare Short. A British Prime Minister taking a principled stand against the President of the US would be unthinkable without very serious repercussions for the UK whose defence has been tied to the US for many decades. This is all true without any need to invoke some secret 1983 treaty. That's not to say there is no treaty - we just can't know - but in the absence of evidence that's just an article of faith, so it's something we can't really speculate about in any meaningful way.
     
    lithium, Jul 1, 2007
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  39. skip

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    Again the evidence is in the PUDDING - BLOOD PUDDING.

    Your country has NO REASON at all to be there right now. Admit that.
     
    skip, Jul 1, 2007
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