just a question

ok,I'll start off by saying,I'm not gay in any way.Not a homophobe,I just don't swing that way.I know alot of people aren't going to agree with my religious views,& thats fine.So,my question is,why is gay marriage such an issue?what's wrong with the"life partner" deal?I'm not trying to bash anyone by any means,I totally agree your significant other should get benefits & whatnot if something was to happen.BUT,on the flipside.heres where my religious views come in..When the Bible strictly speaks against homosexuality,why would you want to be married in a CHURCH?I just don't get it.

 

Why would anyone want to be married in a church? Everyone should just go to the courthouse, fill out the paper work and let a notary public finalize the "ceremony." My wife and I were officially married without a church ceremony, tho it was in the Unity church bldg with their notary officiating.

Actually, the church part is for each individual to celebrate their marriage and that is no problem as a lot of churches officiate the unofficial gay marriages. The important thing is for the marriage to be recognized by the government and the US, because it is dominated by religious bigots who oppose such is fast becoming one of the most backward nations on the planet. (Argentina now recognizes same gender marriages).

The feds like to say it is a states rights thing (which is bullshit - ref the loving vs Va. supreme court case that overturned all those states that would not allow blacks and whites to marry in 1967)

The feds need to recognize same gender marriage so Social Security benefits can be given equitably for ppl who have shared their lives for more than 10 years. (Yeah, I am going to draw as a surviving spouse on my deceased wife's SS which is more than on my own. If I had shared 20 years with another man that would not be an option.)

 

Why do strait people get married? Why can't they just be life partners?

 

Exactly. If straight couples marry because they are in love and want to show that commitment, then gay couples have every right to do the same.

I don't really like the idea of having a piece of paper to show that I love someone, but I don't care if someone else wants to get married - that's their choice!

 

It's no big deal to me. I don't even want to get married. I'd rather stand with my girl at the top of Norway, cut our hands, hold each other and let our blood spill in the ocean so we're connected throughout the world. Making gay marriage legal will only allow me to spit in the face of Chrisitan for raping the earth of all it's significant cultures, it's higher state of consciousness and the lazy chrisitan abuse of the earth where it'll fix itself as long as you have faith.
Rubbish.

 

I personally don't ever want to get married, because I don't think it's society's business to issue papers on two people making a life together.

Regardless of what I think, we do have marriage. And I don't think anybody has the right to tell other people what they can or cannot do. Also, marriage has never been a religious tradition, religion has interfered into it (like the government), but that's it. it didn't come up with it. it has no claim over it. so stop bringing bible up. People throughout history have married more for economical and political reasons, it is only now in our time that it has predominantly become a union of two people who love (or not) each other. The point is -- no matter who you are --- you are not better than anyone else in this respect, you have no special inherent right to marry more than others, and you have no right to prohibit this to anyone.

either we have a marriage and everyone can get it, or we shouldn't have it at all.

 

Because, I am a free man and I do not believe in Bible speaking against homosexuality. As a matter of fact, I do not believe in anyone or anything speaking against homosexuality. By that same token, I do not want to have any of my rights curtailed. For that I stand, too.

KD

 

Why would non-religious straight people want to get married in a church either? And according to your beliefs, a non-believer is going to hell just as much as the homosexual is. Why kick up such a fuss about some gay people wanting to be married in a church, when you seem to be quite happy to turn a blind eye to non-religious people getting married in church? Also, some gay people actually are christians, and dont believe their god condemns homosexuality. Id say they have more of a right to be married in church than non-religious straight people.

I just always find it weird how so many ''christians'' are quite happy to cherry pick the bible, conveniantly glossing over, or totally ignoring certain ''sins'', while making only a huge deal about homosexuality. Why the catholic faith up till now has seemed to be quite happy to allow non-religious straight people to marry in church, but are so against gays being married in church, I have no idea. A non-believer will be going to hell just as much as the gay person will, according to many of faith, so why is homosexuality being singled out? Cherry picking again I think!

 

I'd never want to get married in a church even if I did marry someone of the opposite sex to begin with, also, not everyone gets married in a church, I don't know anyone who has, they've all got married in the courthouse or in a park or a beach or some place like that, marriage doesn't have to be a religious thing.

 

When you're raised to believe in god, but personally believe that god would love you whether or not you love someone of the same sex; you fight for your rights and what you beleive in. Gay unions are denied 1,200 legal rights that hetero-sexual couples are given. Id like to add, that marriage is not just a christian ceremony. There are several denominations, and some of those do not find homosexuality to ruin the sanctity of marriage. Everyone ASSumes that when a gay couple wants to be married that they want to be married into the catholic church.

 

homo marriage isnt even in the top 10 ten of wrongs.. Man thought he was GOD when he wrote that crappy section in the book..

 

Marriage dates back much further then Christianity. Christianity is a relatively new set if religions in the scope of human history an so is it's god. The pure fact is man created god. Before that point there was many gods. They were around for much longer and they had no issues with gay marriage. If you were to take a look at history as it pertains to the catholic religion you would see that a single
man forced a change in the bible to include crap against homos. It went along with the great reform in the Catholic church that also made it against the rules for priests to get married. It's all a bunch of man made BS put in place to control the masses. People who can't see this shouldn't deserve the right to make a decision that takes a fundamental right from someone.

 

Some gay people happen to be Christians. Not all Christians agree that homosexuality is wrong or sinful.

 

I agree, I believe in God and that Jesus Died for my Sins, and am gay so I believe that it is more society than God that has a problem with it. God is for love. God loves Gays and Lesbians just as much as he loves Straight people so why would he object to Gay Marriage. I believe that in my own opinion.

 

Who the hell cares about the bible?
It also states the world is flat and held up by pillars and that snakes can talk.
When was the last time you were given a sunday sermon by a cobra?

It's about equality.
Although I kind of think the whole "gays can't donate blood" thing should be a hotter issue, but then again most people are blind to what's going on around them so it doesn't surprise me.

 

SHHH!



BTW, since I started tracking them in 1987, I have donated 5 gallons of blood.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=6453020&postcount=146

 

oh shale how i wonder how much ass you got back then looking like you do now mustve been quite the catch *nudgenudge* ;D

 

What's your point?
Come to Britain and you have to lie to donate blood if you're gay. I'll assume this isn't the same in America then?
Or if it is what was the point in your reply?

 

Obviously you do not know that I have had sex with another man even once, which in the US is the stupid question on the donation form that disqualifies me from donating my safe, disease-free blood.

The point is, that even tho I am an honest person - I LIED! SHHH!

I thought everyone in the "GAY" forum would get the point.

And, if that wasn't enuf of a hint there was a link with that post explaining it.
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/s...&postcount=146

 

if I'm honest I get the double whammy because I was stationed in England during the blackout years because of mad cow disease. it has been over 22 years since I was last in England and "if" I ate something bad I think I would have noticed it by now, noticed it by now, noticed it by now, noticed it ... LOL

I give anyway.