Just a question about cops in copters :)

Discussion in 'Cannabis Outdoors' started by dcfbama, May 15, 2011.

  1. dcfbama

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    growing outdoors...if i had just 3 or 4 plants would they be able to pick up on them? They like to fly over alot.
     
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    probable not.. unless there is a crime on your street and chopper is there lurking.. a fly bye.. unlikely..
     
  3. Glowstick

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    More than likely not, either way take precautions, do it in an area that wont be seen by the lurking eye, or walked upon by strangers, make sure there is no connection between you and the area. Try camouflaging your plants with other plants or materials, there are a lot of helpful hints on doing so on google.

    http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1363967


    never leave a trail to where your plants are either, especially in wooded areas near your home. Good luck
     
  4. dcfbama

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    Alright thanx u guys. Also, someone has said they have a radar type device that picks up on heat given off...anybody know anything about that shit? Im new to this so Im sure I wont get much of a plant but everybody starts somewhere so:) anyway again thanks and anyone thta can answer that question would be helpful
     
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    Thermal and infrared cameras can and do see heat signatures during fly-overs. It's not the best idea to have a glowing closet when a copter goes overhead! Outdoor grows don't come with this problem.
     
  6. ScottDK420

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    In the rural ,heavily wooded area ,very hilly, and so on, where I have family living who used to grow a lot of weed outdoors in the 70's and 80's , until the national guard and local and state police there started flyin helicopters in the early 90's ,all over the area from August on, they know have the thermal imaging cameras which can easily pick up on the heat "signature" of weed, even one ot two plants! They still do this becasue some people from other areas come in during the spring and plant seeds and leave them for a month or two and come back every now and then until they come and stay the last month till harvest. The cops seem to find a thousand+ plants growing each year, mostly becasue of the idiots who do not care about other locals growing outdoors. Now most people locally grow small outdoor plants spread out over a large area, and near cedar trees and so on, which helps somewhat mask the weeds heat signature, and also they grow indoors, but typically grow small crops indoor to keep attention away from their electricity bills being higher than normal and so on.
    The best way outdoors IMO is to grow autoflowering strains that are ready to harvest in 3 months or so total from planting,and are shorter and easier to hide, but the yield is lower , like an ounce or 2 ounces per plant of the autoflowering type, but they tend to be pretty potent strains mostly.
    Other people plant their weed on a large spread out area, with a plant or 2 per acre, usually on someone elses property, and in remote terrain where people rarely if ever go.
     
  7. SpacemanSpiff

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    Im pretty sure the heat sensing (flir) is only used for indoor grow detection

    in the north they look for warm roofs (from venting to attic)... condensation on windows and icicles

    most outdoor is done by human eye...mostly looking for the certain colour so space them out and camo them with other stuff like the other person said
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9-Te-DPbSE"]YouTube - ‪Get To The Chopper!!!‬‏
     
  9. ScottDK420

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    Actually in this area they use the thermal imaging for outdoor use, as the find plants every year this way. A lot of the terrain here is way to rough for most to see from a helicopter with just the human eye. Beleive me I know all about this , they have been doing it in my area for over 20 years with thermal camera type stuff and the used the human eye before that, which was good for detecting only larger grows or plants out in the open.
    That's also why I said that growers here (outdoor) space the plants out like 2 or 3 per acre, and have camo cover and so on..There is not enough indoor growing in this area really for them to fly helicopters over steadily from July or August till September or October and even till november..
     
  10. rollingalong

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    thermal imaging is easily defeated by growing in the wild where there is hundreds of various plants around....the trick is to NOT bunch them together...where i grow there is ground cover up to 6 feet high once august arrives right beside a swamp...no way an infrared camera will detect weed growing beside a decomposing swamp
     
  11. rollingalong

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    ftr..the air guys do a lot more than look for weed...the chances of ever being caught[by air] here are slim to none


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    Harrison Ford flies Helicopters..

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  13. indydude

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    Lol. Good advice on spreading the plants out to a couple per acre. Just dont forget where you planted. I always worry about deer getting them. Stock up on hair clippings and dog crap to contaminate the area. So far so good. And dont leave a trail!
     
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    Old wives tale...thermal imaging cannot, and will not "detect" a marijuana plant or a marijuana garden by detecting its heat signature! This is total BS.

    During the summer and fall, everything in the woods heats up during the day, and gives off a thermal signature during the cooler night hours. One object blends into the other because everything has absorbed heat during the day. FLIR is the most effective during the early spring, late fall, and winter seasons, when the daylight temperatures do not climb too high.

    It is impossible to calibrate a FLIR or any kind of thermal imager to somehow detect a spectral image given off by a certain plant. The only place that it even has a 5% chance of working is if it is used in an area where there are a great multitude of similar plants in the background, IE a cornfield, with a few patches of marijuana scattered throughout.

    The real danger from a thermal detector is when it detects you at your garden site... :eek:

    all of you that like to piss around your garden sites; this would glow like a bonfire on the FLIR monitor due to the body heat being radiated from the piss. :sunny:

    Smoking a joint or a cigarette at night will light up the screens also.

    The shut-off engine of your vehicle or ATV will radiate a white hot heat signature, visible from a mile away from above!

    And then there is you, and your body heat...we have all seen the "Cops" videos of FLIR in use to find criminals, so you know how your body heat will light up the monitor.


    FLIR could be used to detect things that shouldnt be in the woods IE water containers and reservoirs, water lines, stored provisions, etc. because these things will retain heat during the day, which will light up the item at night.

    But, before you say "I told you so", keep in mind that people have been dumping junk in the woods for years. A chopper flying over a large swath of forest would literally "see" thousands of FLIR hits per square mile; there is no way that there is enough manpower to check out even 1% of these areas.

    I have been growing for 30 years outdoors, and have been in the electrical engineering game for 25 of those years. I definitely have a good knowledge of the capabilities and drawbacks of these types of "detector" systems. CIA and NSA type detector devices cost way too much, and require way too much maintenance and calibration to be used for this purpose. One helicopter flight would beat them up so bad that a certified technician would be needed to recalibrate the machine after almost every flight. Way too expensive...and not enough trained technicians to go around!

    Good Luck

    Vinnie Kaz
     
  15. skip

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    Another thing to consider. If your plants are in a remote area, difficult to get to, the cops aren't going to bother going in for just a few plants. It would have to be at least dozens or hundreds b4 they would launch an operation.

    Don't forget the resources to hunt down mj plantations is limited, and they all want to brag about bringing down thousands of plants at a time, so why waste your resources going after just a few? That doesn't come with any bragging rights...
     
  16. Survegalist

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    I think that visually they can detect an overhead shape of the plant it'self,1<5 in a grouping can stick out like dogs balls..10,20,50 will stick out even more.There is a way around this,when the plant is three or more feet high bend it over(peg it down if need be)and grow it horizontal.I have two ac's and grow it along my fence line like a hedge and I have choppers flying over at certain times in the growing season,and I mean really low..tree top low.I've had people walk right by it and not even recognised it this way.
     
  17. Mind_Explorer

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    They might come by and pluck your stuff, I doubt there going to put much effort into finding out who planted them.

    Are you sure it's even a police helicopter? I guess it really depends on how big of assholes the cops feel like being but I wouldn't get paranoid about it.
     
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    A tiny robot drone looks like a hummingbird.



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    the miniature spybot looks like a hummingbird complete with flapping wings, and is only slightly larger and heavier than most hummingbirds, but smaller than the largest species.
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  19. midgardsun

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    Yes, it would be easy for them to build masses of mini drones that can detect even very small amounts of THC in the air...interesting times are coming up.
     
  20. Survegalist

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    @Mind Explorer,where you asking me if it is really cop choppers??
    Fark man,thats all we have out our way..Australian bush mate,we are out in the middle of it.If it don't go Baaa,or dosen't look like beef or wheat chances are you can smoke it.LOL.
    Yeah,they only fly over in season..same chopper same time and you can see 'em dancing round the tree line.The tree lines are the gullies where seasonal rain flows,we live on one.
     

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