Jesus Was Not Born December 25Th....

Why does society celebrate something that is not even true? Why do non Christian s celebrate a supposed Christian celebration? We are a society that celebrates blindly holidays that have been passed down to us. Are we so easy to conform?

 

This date was chosen because it's a pagan celebration... Winter Solstice.


Everybody knows this, right?

 

Well, we've been doing it since around 336 AD, so there's a fair amount of precedent.

If you want accuracy, the simple fact is that there is no record of the date of Jesus' birth, but the date of the annunciation (when mary is told that Jesus will be born) is march 25th, so we arrive at 25th December by simply adding 9 months to that.


Plus you mix in a whole lot of saturnalia and midwinter festivals and you end up with that rough date. Saturnalia ends on the 23rd, the birthday of the pagan sun god mithra was on the 25th etc etc.

Put it this way, you've got an enormous empire and want to keep as many people in it as possible from declaring religious wars on each other, best pick an official date which makes as many of them happy as possible, right?

Why do non-christians celebrate it? because it has deep cultural resonance for them beyond its religious significance.

And also, because, you know, it's fun.

Whether or not you are a christian, you almost certainly have some sort of childhood memory of Christmas being a celebration and coming together of family and gifts and food, when you have kids you want them to have the same memories.

However you feel about this specific one, almost all cultures have some kind of midwinter celebration. It seems to be a universal human thing to want to mark the middle of the harshest survival period and the beginning of the thaw that will allow you to grow crops again. If it wasn't Christmas, it's just be something else.

 

is jesus the fake one or santa. I always get those two mixed up

 

why do non mexicans celebrate cinco de mayo? same reason, it's an excuse to get drunk.

 

yes, for a whole week,, its 7days to new year..

 

Because people are brainwashed and mindlessly go along with whatever is handed to them.

 

Amazing how many people do not.

 

This exact topic comes around here every year.

It's a traditional date. You can dislike it, you can piss on it but in the end it appears the winter solstice was an excellent choice

 

even the 25th day of the 10th month is a bit of a stretch. indeed in the context of the story, the middle of winter would not be possible. i mean for the story. of course anyone can be born at any time, but that is another matter.
at any rate it really isn't when anyone was born that its about.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-true-meaning-christmas-that-everyone-forgets/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter-weekly-20151221
explains it better then i can.
(its a LOT older then EITHER 'santa' OR 'jesus'. whether either of them is "fake" or not, has nothing to do with it either.)

 

Santa IS real and was a coca cola invention ( the modern one anyway )
http://www.coca-colacompany.com/stories/coke-lore-santa-claus/

 

If christmas is just another excuse to get drunk why are they dragging these trees into the house (which is usually done sober)?

 

My Santa's gone green



JC too

 

You muslim!

 

Dam! now I won't be able to enter the US.

Imagine if Santa converted - no presents delivered because immigration officials said no.

 

I thought Santa was a convinced atheist. Saint Nick is the one who gives presents because he's such a saint

 

I think the way you answer this question captures your personality!

Just an observation.

 

i don't really believe that the tree is usually done sober. and i'm positive that the tradition was started by someone who was either drunk or tripping balls. who else would think that's a good idea?

 

I agree, you would think that is an intoxicated practice (esp. when you keep in mind they used to hang burning candles in it) but my observations learned that it is usally done sober, often a family trip with and mainly for the kids Maybe it was started by someone under the influence, that sounds plausible. But it seems nowadays it is (generally) a sober practice. Of course I am on a different continent than you, maybe we notice certain differences because of that